how the hell did sct fuck that one up. i dont get how you can properly tune when you dont have an adequate means of datalogging. way to go sct, way to go
nothing like charging $1000 for a product that only does a halfway decent job. its like the first batches of the AEM EMS that burst into flames like mine did
We use a Snap On Modis for datalogging until SCT releases the Datalogger software for the Dodges.
We use a Snap On Modis for datalogging until SCT releases the Datalogger software for the Dodges.
yeah, see thats retarded. talk about an overpriced under equipped software bundle.
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All depends on what it's worth to you. To dealers like us, it is worth every penny. SCT is a much more powerful tool than you give it credit to be. No need for sour grapes.
I'm thinking of either getting JAW or Zeitronix widebands to datalog AFR, RPM, and Boost so that I can tune to something at least (until datalogging comes for the PRP). Anybody using JAW (Just Another Wideband) which you can build from 14Point7 It seems like the more economical route considering I'm already in this a grand going with the PRP... Probably could get it all assembled for about $140 including the wideband.
The Zeitronix is inexpensive route as well, starting at $279 for a datalogging controller (inputs for MAP, RPM, EGT, and one other sensor), the datalogging software, and of course the wideband.
Advantage of JAW is that I could get the .NET source for the datalogging software and make changes to it if need be (from the screenshots it looks like things like RPM, boost and AFR are all graphed on top of each other with time being the x axis, whereas I'd be interest in mapping boost and AFR accross RPM, that seems a little bit easier to read to me.)
There are probably more things you would need to datalog that would be useful (especially to tune timing), but either of those options would be an inexpensive good start I think and probably my only options since I don't have much more money to spend.
Charley
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Hey Charley, who was doing the tuning? Andre? John?
You also might want to hit up Drmchtr, I believe he has played with the SCT a lot on the stock setup and he is also somewhat local...
Also, a couple of us have some S2 wga laying around, may make it easier to tune. LMK if you are interested...
No he's a tuner named James from SpeedFactory in University Place. He mostly tunes Hondas though he's been learning to tune other cars like Mini Coopers and my car. He's really good at tuning the Hondas but he was struggling a bit with the Advantage software, not knowing what to change. I'm hoping the SCT Wiki get's support and then I'll figure out when he'll need to know to tune it better.
That is easy to say when your under informed, once you see what this software can do you will appreciate it even without the data logging.
Ted
doubtful. i am actually quite a proficient tuner. however, without data logging you can on do so much. its like having a fully loaded tool box but using your leatherman to fix something
doubtful. i am actually quite a proficient tuner. however, without data logging you can on do so much. its like having a fully loaded tool box but using your leatherman to fix something
While I agree that not having datalogging integrated in with the software would be a PITA, it's not like you can't datalog with a different system. It's not a "tune on the fly" system anyway. You have to make changes then re-flash the ecu with the engine off. This would be a very tedious job for those of us used to just tuning on the fly. However, it's not impossible by any means.
I guess $1k seems pricey but look at what you get to do... reprogram the stock ecu. That is a luxory in my book.
No he's a tuner named James from SpeedFactory in University Place. He mostly tunes Hondas though he's been learning to tune other cars like Mini Coopers and my car. He's really good at tuning the Hondas but he was struggling a bit with the Advantage software, not knowing what to change. I'm hoping the SCT Wiki get's support and then I'll figure out when he'll need to know to tune it better.
While I agree that not having datalogging integrated in with the software would be a PITA, it's not like you can't datalog with a different system. It's not a "tune on the fly" system anyway. You have to make changes then re-flash the ecu with the engine off. This would be a very tedious job for those of us used to just tuning on the fly. However, it's not impossible by any means.
I guess $1k seems pricey but look at what you get to do... reprogram the stock ecu. That is a luxory in my book.
no, i get it. i tune with sct all the time. truth be told, im not a fan of their datalogging software anyway, but its the fact that they charge you a grip and dont have datalogging software. yes you can use other software, but after paying $1000 you have to buy something else? rough
no, i get it. i tune with sct all the time. truth be told, im not a fan of their datalogging software anyway, but its the fact that they charge you a grip and dont have datalogging software. yes you can use other software, but after paying $1000 you have to buy something else? rough
Not To start a fight, but you obviously can not appreciate the money and time it took to crack the Dodge code to get in to the computers in the first place, there was 3-4 years of development cracking Hexidecimal code, Probably millions of Dollars in engineering labor.
It is easy to sit back in your chair and mock something because you have nothing to lose, you have none of your time or money in it.
At 1K all should feel Blessed it is so Cheap.
A DRB is 4500.00 and you can't do any custom tuning with it but you can read codes and data log.
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