Im going to the Dyno....Dec 7th - Page 2 - SRT Forums

Ridin59vette · 11-20-2012, 04:35 PM

Subscribed for results, Especially on the water injection

zackman9 · 11-20-2012, 05:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Ridin59vette

Subscribed for results, Especially on the water injection

+1

I am a ninja >_< are you

**underSRTarmor** · 11-20-2012, 05:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by zackman9

+1

I am a ninja >_< are you

Ninja guy^^^

ares559 · 11-20-2012, 05:19 PM

Well I don't get wrapped around numbers I just want see MBT and if water is helping or hurting. Also if I can improve my numbers and see if I can hot lap(back to back pulls) with out losing hp on water and e85. Ya know.

On meth and water I was able to dyno 3 times in a roll and only lose .2 hp.[/QUOTE]

Trust me neither do I but I'd like to see where you're at. Mine was quite skewed. Very heat soaked, no fan on the dyno, 106 outside and roughly 140 in the shop. So I don't get hung up on the numbers much either. My track day hopefully doesn't get rained out again December 8th. But mine on water/meth I only made 372whp and 395 wtq then the next pull was done ten seconds after and I lost 10 whp an 10 wtq even though I have my ED super beast intercooler and water/meth

greenneonsrt · 11-20-2012, 07:09 PM

In for numbers, you think that DO4 is enough for the big turbo?

Just an idea but why not start the meth earlier so it is spraying fully when you're at full boost?

I'm not sure how fast your turbo spools but I found with stock sized turbos if I started the spray at 15 the boost would spike and get a few counts of knock so it would pull timing before the meth had a chance to spray. My pump and tank is in the trunk though so maybe that has something to do with it.

**underSRTarmor** · 11-20-2012, 09:18 PM

Not sure that's just it. Ill get with Darksyde to mail me a DO7.

I wish some one would chime in that smart with water injection.

duster360 · 11-23-2012, 09:41 PM

You need to find your MBT and that should be your #1 priority on the Dyno. Your timing table is apparently working very well but despite your car's great performance, the WOT Timing is just a very well educated guess, thus it should have room for improvement.

1,2 and 3 on your list is not getting you anything you can't do on the street except you'll have a Hp number to go with it. Nice to talk about but not of any real value.

If I were you I'd run the exact same boost you did on you 11.19 pass and do the following.

1) take a base line.
2) Add 2 degrees timing and make a pull
3) Closely compare the two dyno graphs to see where Tq was gained or loss
4) If improvement is made, add another 2 degrees or timing in that RPM range
5) If no improvement is made, remove 2 degrees of timing from the base timing value and make a pull.
6) Repeat steps 3-5 until Tq no longer increases.
7) Then Email me ALL the Dyno graphs, a detailed list of your timing changes for each pull and also your final timing changes. I'll analyze the results of you changes and make you a new tune.

**underSRTarmor** · 11-23-2012, 10:33 PM

Ok. Thanks Dave!!!!!

**underSRTarmor** · 11-29-2012, 03:45 PM

Not happening. Postponed till march.

DetroitSRT · 11-30-2012, 10:54 AM

Boo. Looks like I'm waiting until spring to install my coolingmist kit then. I'm attempting so set up a local dyno day in the spring. Maybe I'll run this experiment myself.

**underSRTarmor** · 11-30-2012, 11:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by DetroitSRT

Boo. Looks like I'm waiting until spring to install my coolingmist kit then. I'm attempting so set up a local dyno day in the spring. Maybe I'll run this experiment myself.

this will happen just on a different set up...

DetroitSRT · 11-30-2012, 02:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by underSRTarmor

this will happen just on a different set up...

new turbo for spring?

**underSRTarmor** · 11-30-2012, 03:17 PM

Ya.

Ridin59vette · 11-30-2012, 03:19 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by underSRTarmor

Ya.

I thought you were keeping the 5831? Just adding a tubi?

mole' · 11-30-2012, 03:23 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by underSRTarmor

Not happening. Postponed till march.

Well that sucks man. Was looking forward to talking smack to ya.

11-20-2012, 04:35 PM	#16 (permalink)
Ridin59vette SRTforums Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Member Number: 86347 Location: Albany Posts: 1,096	Subscribed for results, Especially on the water injection __________________ 04 SRT-4: Under Construction 99 9-3: Daily Driver FS Thread: http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f416...5/#post9777568

11-20-2012, 05:16 PM	#18 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,753	Quote: Originally Posted by zackman9 +1 I am a ninja >_< are you Ninja guy^^^ __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable

11-20-2012, 05:19 PM	#19 (permalink)
ares559 SRTforums Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Member Number: 81082 Location: Fresno, Ca Posts: 1,259	Well I don't get wrapped around numbers I just want see MBT and if water is helping or hurting. Also if I can improve my numbers and see if I can hot lap(back to back pulls) with out losing hp on water and e85. Ya know. On meth and water I was able to dyno 3 times in a roll and only lose .2 hp.[/QUOTE] Trust me neither do I but I'd like to see where you're at. Mine was quite skewed. Very heat soaked, no fan on the dyno, 106 outside and roughly 140 in the shop. So I don't get hung up on the numbers much either. My track day hopefully doesn't get rained out again December 8th. But mine on water/meth I only made 372whp and 395 wtq then the next pull was done ten seconds after and I lost 10 whp an 10 wtq even though I have my ED super beast intercooler and water/meth __________________ SRT: AGP .50 trim Tuning on E85. Tuned by Mindmelt101 Last edited by ares559; 11-20-2012 at 05:21 PM.

11-20-2012, 07:09 PM	#20 (permalink)
greenneonsrt SRTforums Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Member Number: 82185 Location: Bowmanville, On Posts: 974	In for numbers, you think that DO4 is enough for the big turbo? Just an idea but why not start the meth earlier so it is spraying fully when you're at full boost? I'm not sure how fast your turbo spools but I found with stock sized turbos if I started the spray at 15 the boost would spike and get a few counts of knock so it would pull timing before the meth had a chance to spray. My pump and tank is in the trunk though so maybe that has something to do with it. __________________ 280whp 303wtq 16g bws, injen short ram, meth injection. Stock intercooler, manifolds, o2 housing, wastegate, and motor. Best et: 13.4 Best trap: 107

11-20-2012, 09:18 PM	#21 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,753	Not sure that's just it. Ill get with Darksyde to mail me a DO7. I wish some one would chime in that smart with water injection. __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable

11-20-2012, 05:14 PM	#17 (permalink)
zackman9 SRTforums Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Member Number: 91010 Location: Bolt-On Posts: 73	Quote: Originally Posted by Ridin59vette Subscribed for results, Especially on the water injection +1 I am a ninja >_< are you

11-23-2012, 09:41 PM	#22 (permalink)
duster360 Supporting Vendor (Gold) Join Date: Aug 2006 Member Number: 45182 Location: Central IL Posts: 9,326	You need to find your MBT and that should be your #1 priority on the Dyno. Your timing table is apparently working very well but despite your car's great performance, the WOT Timing is just a very well educated guess, thus it should have room for improvement. 1,2 and 3 on your list is not getting you anything you can't do on the street except you'll have a Hp number to go with it. Nice to talk about but not of any real value. If I were you I'd run the exact same boost you did on you 11.19 pass and do the following. 1) take a base line. 2) Add 2 degrees timing and make a pull 3) Closely compare the two dyno graphs to see where Tq was gained or loss 4) If improvement is made, add another 2 degrees or timing in that RPM range 5) If no improvement is made, remove 2 degrees of timing from the base timing value and make a pull. 6) Repeat steps 3-5 until Tq no longer increases. 7) Then Email me ALL the Dyno graphs, a detailed list of your timing changes for each pull and also your final timing changes. I'll analyze the results of you changes and make you a new tune. __________________ 1025cc Injectors+ E85/GAS Base tunes =$359 ADD Boost By Gear to ANY PCM boost control tune $75 E85+Gas Base tune Combo $150[Only available for 1025cc Siemens/FIC1100&2150/AGP1200/All ID] PLEASE USE EMAIL!!dave at needlesstorque dot com Last edited by duster360; 11-23-2012 at 10:00 PM.

11-23-2012, 10:33 PM	#23 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,753	Ok. Thanks Dave!!!!! __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable

11-29-2012, 03:45 PM	#24 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,753	Not happening. Postponed till march. __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable

11-30-2012, 10:54 AM	#25 (permalink)
DetroitSRT SRTforums Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Member Number: 66615 Location: Shelby Twp. Posts: 382	Boo. Looks like I'm waiting until spring to install my coolingmist kit then. I'm attempting so set up a local dyno day in the spring. Maybe I'll run this experiment myself. __________________ 11.87@116.4 - stock turbo no N2O http://youtu.be/yP6xoSjgWbA Last edited by DetroitSRT; 11-30-2012 at 10:59 AM.

11-30-2012, 11:42 AM	#26 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,753	Quote: Originally Posted by DetroitSRT Boo. Looks like I'm waiting until spring to install my coolingmist kit then. I'm attempting so set up a local dyno day in the spring. Maybe I'll run this experiment myself. this will happen just on a different set up... __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable

11-30-2012, 02:54 PM	#27 (permalink)
DetroitSRT SRTforums Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Member Number: 66615 Location: Shelby Twp. Posts: 382	Quote: Originally Posted by underSRTarmor this will happen just on a different set up... new turbo for spring? __________________ 11.87@116.4 - stock turbo no N2O http://youtu.be/yP6xoSjgWbA

11-30-2012, 03:17 PM	#28 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,753	Ya. __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable

11-30-2012, 03:19 PM	#29 (permalink)
Ridin59vette SRTforums Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Member Number: 86347 Location: Albany Posts: 1,096	Quote: Originally Posted by underSRTarmor Ya. I thought you were keeping the 5831? Just adding a tubi? __________________ 04 SRT-4: Under Construction 99 9-3: Daily Driver FS Thread: http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f416...5/#post9777568

11-30-2012, 03:23 PM	#30 (permalink)
mole' Supporting Vendor (Gold) Join Date: Sep 2004 Member Number: 17477 Location: SoCal (760/661) Posts: 50,858	Quote: Originally Posted by underSRTarmor Not happening. Postponed till march. Well that sucks man. Was looking forward to talking smack to ya. __________________ DCR spiced and Tuned by the Mad Scientist team Jay@N2MB and Nigel@BST (turbo666) Mole' (STOCK TURBO) 16g BWS setup #s 380hp+ and 444tq+ 11.7@122 1.71 60ft PM/email me for all your 16g/18g/20g BWS setup and DCR needs...... Darrell Cox Racing on facebook, 1-517-369-9636 10am-5pm est webstore... DCRSRT.com. email me at mole79@aol.com .

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