Dyno testing for AGP kits - SRT Forums

a853rox · 03-25-2008, 10:05 AM

Coming up in a few weeks (actual date TBA) there will be a cooperative effort from Form and Function Performance, AGP Turbo, and MAPerformance to test the effects of portwork and advanced ceramic coatings to AGP's turbo kits.

AGP Turbo is graciously loaning a few turbine housings, and manifolds for the testing. Thank you!

MAPerformance has stepped up and is providing the dyno sessions to make this test measurable. Thank you!

Form and Function Performance will provide the porting and coating for the test, along with the wrench time for the install/uninstall of all the manifolds in the testing process.

More details will come later but essentially this test will have a SRT-4 with AGP's cast manifold set up, and run three versions:

1) Unmodified (ie, no portwork or coatings)
2) Ported version (portwork on turbine housing and manifold)
3) Ported and coated with advanced ceramics (coating outside and inside manifold and turbine housing)

Each test will be have 3 dyno pulls, and at a minimum, afr's/hp-tq/and boost schedule will be shared. We may not be able to get EGT's on this but if we can, that will be shared as well.

We will be testing effects of the porting/coatings on spool, efficiency and overall performance. We know that if we take out too much material in the turbine housing, we effectively change the AR of the housing, but how much is enough to effect spool? We know that portwork will increase airflow QUALITY, but will it be at the cost of spool? What effect does the polishing on the exhaust parts have as well (thermal reflectivity)? The ceramic portion is just an added bonus test to confirm the manufacturer's claims, but the coating alone is supposed to be responsible for 2-6% increase in power by itself.

That is the rough outline at this point and is subject to change.

Any predicitions? Perhaps those that have had both ported and unported versions of various setups can post up their $.02. I know I have personally done agp, atp, custom, and mopar versions....

A BIG thank you again for all parties involved!

-Bob

****EDITED for Progress list****

-Receive turbine housings and manifolds from AGP Turbo- yes (4/24)
-Take initial measurements of all ports, cc all housings and manifolds - partial (4/25)
-Port two manifolds and turbine housings, coat one of each (form and functionalize

)- to be completed by 5/30/08
-Dyno at MA Performance!!- 1st week of June
-Collect, analyze, and share all obtained data- Most likely by 6/6/08

HCCAFan · 03-25-2008, 10:07 AM

Will be good to see.

Pit Viper · 03-25-2008, 10:09 AM

awesome.

Glad you guys were able to work all this out.

maperformance · 03-25-2008, 10:36 AM

Glad we could be a part of this!

Pit Viper · 03-25-2008, 10:37 AM

I'll be honest, I'm actually happy I won't have to be swapping my kit multiple times.

I've had a hard time keeping a turbo on my car more than a week or two lately.

Pete · 03-25-2008, 10:43 AM

can't wait to see the results

.

[H]ardMacK · 03-25-2008, 10:47 AM

On the plus side Pit, man you have gotten good getting that turbo on and off lol

-ND4SPD- · 03-25-2008, 10:53 AM

Wow, it's nice to see vendors working with each other instead of against each other. I'm sure the results will be anxiously awaited

a853rox · 03-25-2008, 12:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by -ND4SPD-

Wow, it's nice to see vendors working with each other instead of against each other. I'm sure the results will be anxiously awaited

Agreed. There has been too much bashing and hostility and I'm happy to be working with MAP and AGP on this. I have personally dyno'd at MAP and their place is great, and i have ordered hardpipes and a wga from AGP not to mention on every S3 manifold I port, I always recommend their S3 WGA as a 'must-have'. Both are great companies.

Timelines right now will most likely be in the 3-4 week range depedning on the host car, and when we get the manifolds to work on. Everyone will be posted!

bpsrt4 · 03-25-2008, 12:33 PM

Tzone · 03-25-2008, 11:08 PM

Hey bob whats the status on my stg 3 mani? would like an update.

**Moving Darkness** · 03-26-2008, 10:01 AM

I'm VERY interested to see the results. I have an AGP 50 trim kit sitting here waiting to be installed but I wanna get some work done to it first.

amdguy · 03-27-2008, 01:41 AM

possibly my car is going on the dyno ;-D
(b3rndtt0ast)

coors · 03-27-2008, 01:48 AM

about time

a853rox · 03-27-2008, 08:37 AM

Just waiting for Ben at AGP to respond to a few emails and we should be good to start the ball rolling.

03-25-2008, 10:05 AM	#1 (permalink)
a853rox Supporting Vendor (Gold) Join Date: Jun 2003 Member Number: 1907 Location: In the shop! Posts: 3,411	Dyno testing for AGP kits Coming up in a few weeks (actual date TBA) there will be a cooperative effort from Form and Function Performance, AGP Turbo, and MAPerformance to test the effects of portwork and advanced ceramic coatings to AGP's turbo kits. AGP Turbo is graciously loaning a few turbine housings, and manifolds for the testing. Thank you! MAPerformance has stepped up and is providing the dyno sessions to make this test measurable. Thank you! Form and Function Performance will provide the porting and coating for the test, along with the wrench time for the install/uninstall of all the manifolds in the testing process. More details will come later but essentially this test will have a SRT-4 with AGP's cast manifold set up, and run three versions: 1) Unmodified (ie, no portwork or coatings) 2) Ported version (portwork on turbine housing and manifold) 3) Ported and coated with advanced ceramics (coating outside and inside manifold and turbine housing) Each test will be have 3 dyno pulls, and at a minimum, afr's/hp-tq/and boost schedule will be shared. We may not be able to get EGT's on this but if we can, that will be shared as well. We will be testing effects of the porting/coatings on spool, efficiency and overall performance. We know that if we take out too much material in the turbine housing, we effectively change the AR of the housing, but how much is enough to effect spool? We know that portwork will increase airflow QUALITY, but will it be at the cost of spool? What effect does the polishing on the exhaust parts have as well (thermal reflectivity)? The ceramic portion is just an added bonus test to confirm the manufacturer's claims, but the coating alone is supposed to be responsible for 2-6% increase in power by itself. That is the rough outline at this point and is subject to change. Any predicitions? Perhaps those that have had both ported and unported versions of various setups can post up their $.02. I know I have personally done agp, atp, custom, and mopar versions.... A BIG thank you again for all parties involved! -Bob **EDITED for Progress list -Receive turbine housings and manifolds from AGP Turbo- yes (4/24) -Take initial measurements of all ports, cc all housings and manifolds - partial (4/25) -Port two manifolds and turbine housings, coat one of each (form and functionalize )- to be completed by 5/30/08 -Dyno at MA Performance!!- 1st week of June -Collect, analyze, and share all obtained data- Most likely by 6/6/08 __________________ Owner of Form and Function Performance, now teamed up as Airflow Engineer for Modern Automotive Performance!! Trust those who KNOW performance, not just sell it Your turbo upgrade/rebuild, airflow, and thermal management specialists! \|763-545-3800\| \|www.MAPerformance.com\| \|sales@maperformance.com\|** Last edited by a853rox; 05-27-2008 at 08:36 AM.

03-25-2008, 10:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
Pit Viper SRTforums Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Member Number: 339 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 12,134	awesome. Glad you guys were able to work all this out. __________________ Good-bye, SRT.

03-25-2008, 10:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
maperformance Supporting Vendor (Gold) Join Date: Nov 2006 Member Number: 48589 Location: Plymouth, MN Posts: 5,816	Glad we could be a part of this! __________________ Modern Automotive Performance: Your source for SRT-4 performance parts! 1-888-MAPerformance Daelen@maperformance.com AIM: Daelenatmap

03-25-2008, 10:37 AM	#5 (permalink)
Pit Viper SRTforums Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Member Number: 339 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 12,134	I'll be honest, I'm actually happy I won't have to be swapping my kit multiple times. I've had a hard time keeping a turbo on my car more than a week or two lately. __________________ Good-bye, SRT.

03-25-2008, 10:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
Pete SRTforums Nazi Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Member Number: 43767 Location: MCBH Hawaii Posts: 16,101	can't wait to see the results . __________________ ran a 12.11 at 111 on the stock turbo 1.68 60ft DRIVE A NISSAN SENTRA NOW SRT IS GONE Quote: Originally Posted by peteswife Yes, because Peter takes the interwebs job oh so seriously... oh wait, a job that he doesn't even get paid for!!!

03-25-2008, 10:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
HCCAFan SRTforums Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Member Number: 35768 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 5,625	Will be good to see.

03-25-2008, 10:47 AM	#7 (permalink)
[H]ardMacK SRTforums Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Member Number: 8323 Location: Ask the Army Posts: 712	On the plus side Pit, man you have gotten good getting that turbo on and off lol __________________ Providing the Means for the Enemy to Die for his Country Quote: Originally Posted by Ben@AGP ...it's as smooth as Pit Viper's butt.

03-25-2008, 10:53 AM	#8 (permalink)
-ND4SPD- SRTforums Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Member Number: 458 Location: Broomfield Co. Posts: 4,535	Wow, it's nice to see vendors working with each other instead of against each other. I'm sure the results will be anxiously awaited __________________ John Ruckman - Mopar Stage 3 With Supporting Goodies - Lots of Carbon Fiber - Bunch of Darksyde Powder Coating - Lighting Mods Out The Wazoo! See My Ride Here

03-25-2008, 12:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
a853rox Supporting Vendor (Gold) Join Date: Jun 2003 Member Number: 1907 Location: In the shop! Posts: 3,411	Quote: Originally Posted by -ND4SPD- Wow, it's nice to see vendors working with each other instead of against each other. I'm sure the results will be anxiously awaited Agreed. There has been too much bashing and hostility and I'm happy to be working with MAP and AGP on this. I have personally dyno'd at MAP and their place is great, and i have ordered hardpipes and a wga from AGP not to mention on every S3 manifold I port, I always recommend their S3 WGA as a 'must-have'. Both are great companies. Timelines right now will most likely be in the 3-4 week range depedning on the host car, and when we get the manifolds to work on. Everyone will be posted! __________________ Owner of Form and Function Performance, now teamed up as Airflow Engineer for Modern Automotive Performance!! Trust those who KNOW performance, not just sell it Your turbo upgrade/rebuild, airflow, and thermal management specialists! \|763-545-3800\| \|www.MAPerformance.com\| \|sales@maperformance.com\|

03-25-2008, 12:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
bpsrt4 SRTforums Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Member Number: 40796 Location: homeless :( Posts: 10,466	__________________ ......

03-25-2008, 11:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tzone SRTforums Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Member Number: 45790 Location: North Dakota Posts: 572	Hey bob whats the status on my stg 3 mani? would like an update.

03-26-2008, 10:01 AM	#12 (permalink)
Moving Darkness Premium Member (Lifetime) Join Date: Nov 2005 Member Number: 35925 Location: First!!!! Posts: 855	I'm VERY interested to see the results. I have an AGP 50 trim kit sitting here waiting to be installed but I wanna get some work done to it first. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by mbsatfk YO.....your brakes are on fire.

03-27-2008, 01:41 AM	#13 (permalink)
amdguy SRTforums Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Member Number: 30696 Location: minnesota Posts: 2,022	possibly my car is going on the dyno ;-D (b3rndtt0ast) __________________ AEM EMS, 2150cc injectors, PTE 6262, howards rods,strapkit, Eliminator Fuel pump, RealTune 5speed, BC stage 4 cams, Ported head, JMFAB intake manifold, Fuel surge tank, walbro 255, 5 bar MAP sensor, Weld wheels, HOOSIER QTP, Weisco Pistons, ARP head studs, Gates timing belt...,...,...

03-27-2008, 01:48 AM	#14 (permalink)
coors SRTforums Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Member Number: 43166 Location: sanangelo,texas Posts: 16,204	about time __________________ 2010 spyder 99 O\|\|\|\|\|O TJ sahara any w/i questions pm me

03-27-2008, 08:37 AM	#15 (permalink)
a853rox Supporting Vendor (Gold) Join Date: Jun 2003 Member Number: 1907 Location: In the shop! Posts: 3,411	Just waiting for Ben at AGP to respond to a few emails and we should be good to start the ball rolling. __________________ Owner of Form and Function Performance, now teamed up as Airflow Engineer for Modern Automotive Performance!! Trust those who KNOW performance, not just sell it Your turbo upgrade/rebuild, airflow, and thermal management specialists! \|763-545-3800\| \|www.MAPerformance.com\| \|sales@maperformance.com\|

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