FWIW, the 20gLT aka FPEvoGreen for the Evo's is rated at 47lb/min, but I remember seeing one member logging up to 52lb/min on race gas.
Do you know or seen anyone run a EVOgreen just on pump gas and what kind of numbers they were making? Everyone I've seen is running race gas or alky. I just want to know what kind of power these things make on straight 93 octane dammit.
Going by my trap speeds, I'm probably making around 370whp on pump. I've seen a few members squeeze out 400whp on a dynojet on straight pump.
So you have a EVOgreen? My buddy down the street has one, but is running meth on it and I haven't had a chance to ride in the car. I've always stuck with my stock turbos just cause I'm a pump gas guy and haven't found a turbo that would spools like the stocker. I'll have to get my buddy to give me a ride. Whats your trap speeds? I know my buddy has ran a 7.46 @ 95-96mph in his 8 with the green on it.
Now do you see why we saying what we were saying? The Evo 9 turbo is a pretty potent turbo for a stock turbo, but in no way will it compare to something like yours....or the base Stage 3 IMO. Even with every bolt on would be hard to say, but I think it could be a little more interesting with race gas or C16 in it.
Mopar Stage 3 turbo is a TD05HR-15GK2-10cm2 vs. the
Evo 9 turbo which is a TD05HRA-16G6C-10.5T.
I don't understand what you mean by saying the Evo 9 turbo does not compare to the stock Stage 3 turbo considering there are both similarly sized turbos. Just going off the provided Mitsubishi part numbers the evo 9 turbo has a larger compressor wheel and larger compressor nozzle outlet area. Granted one would need to look at the actual compressor size and design to really make an informative decision. I would like to have both turbos side be side so I can take them apart and do some actual measuring but I don't think one turbo has such a huge advantage over the other like you make it seem.
Dude....you just like to argue don't you. I was saying a Evo 9 turbo DOES NOT COMPARE TO HIS TURBO. Which has a 47lbs/min wheel. I also said it wouldn't compare either when you have one car equiped with all the bolt ons and the other being relatively stock. Yeah, the compressor housing and the exhaust housing may be bigger on the 9's turbo, but the compressor wheel on the Stage 3 is obviously bigger.
Umm, yea, you also said the stock stage 3 turbo doesn't compare to the Evo 9 turbo.
Quote: Originally Posted by Corey
The Evo 9 turbo is a pretty potent turbo for a stock turbo, but in no way will it compare to something like yours....or the base Stage 3 IMO .
How is it obvious that the stock stage 3 wheel is bigger then the Evo compressor wheel when no body has compared them side by side. Let's get the measurements of both, I'm sure they're floating around our respective forums somewhere. I'm not attacking you like other members on here, so take it easy. I just want to clear things up that's all.
Wow, honestly, judging from the vids you posted... Your buddy in the EVO is seriously lacking the driver mod. In my Bone Stock evo IX with stock clutch I can usually pull about 2 cars on any non slicked SRT-4 from the launch. His launch was just pathetic, you can even hear his clutch slipping big time.
Now do you see why we saying what we were saying? The Evo 9 turbo is a pretty potent turbo for a stock turbo, but in no way will it compare to something like yours....or the base Stage 3 IMO. Even with every bolt on would be hard to say, but I think it could be a little more interesting with race gas or C16 in it.
Mopar Stage 3 turbo is a TD05HR-15GK2-10cm2 vs. the
Evo 9 turbo which is a TD05HRA-16G6C-10.5T.
I don't understand what you mean by saying the Evo 9 turbo does not compare to the stock Stage 3 turbo considering there are both similarly sized turbos. Just going off the provided Mitsubishi part numbers the evo 9 turbo has a larger compressor wheel and larger compressor nozzle outlet area. Granted one would need to look at the actual compressor size and design to really make an informative decision. I would like to have both turbos side be side so I can take them apart and do some actual measuring but I don't think one turbo has such a huge advantage over the other like you make it seem.
Dude....you just like to argue don't you. I was saying a Evo 9 turbo DOES NOT COMPARE TO HIS TURBO. Which has a 47lbs/min wheel. I also said it wouldn't compare either when you have one car equiped with all the bolt ons and the other being relatively stock. Yeah, the compressor housing and the exhaust housing may be bigger on the 9's turbo, but the compressor wheel on the Stage 3 is obviously bigger.
Umm, yea, you also said the stock stage 3 turbo doesn't compare to the Evo 9 turbo.
Quote: Originally Posted by Corey
The Evo 9 turbo is a pretty potent turbo for a stock turbo, but in no way will it compare to something like yours....or the base Stage 3 IMO .
How is it obvious that the stock stage 3 wheel is bigger then the Evo compressor wheel when no body has compared them side by side. Let's get the measurements of both, I'm sure they're floating around our respective forums somewhere. I'm not attacking you like other members on here, so take it easy. I just want to clear things up that's all.
Yeah, I said it doens't compare. The flow rates show that. Last time I checked, 44lbs/min > 36lbs./min. I also was saying that in the OP's situation, the stock 9 turbo doesn't compare to his upgraded 47lbs./min wheel. I know the compressor housing and exhaust housing may be bigger on the 9's turbo, but the Stage 3 housing utilizes the bigger wheel. The EVOgreen uses a stock 9 turbo housing as well, but the wheel is upgraded to flow 47lbs./min. I'm taking everything easy, just showing you what I found about our turbo thats all and from what I've read it doesn't compare.
Now do you see why we saying what we were saying? The Evo 9 turbo is a pretty potent turbo for a stock turbo, but in no way will it compare to something like yours....or the base Stage 3 IMO. Even with every bolt on would be hard to say, but I think it could be a little more interesting with race gas or C16 in it.
Mopar Stage 3 turbo is a TD05HR-15GK2-10cm2 vs. the
Evo 9 turbo which is a TD05HRA-16G6C-10.5T.
I don't understand what you mean by saying the Evo 9 turbo does not compare to the stock Stage 3 turbo considering there are both similarly sized turbos. Just going off the provided Mitsubishi part numbers the evo 9 turbo has a larger compressor wheel and larger compressor nozzle outlet area. Granted one would need to look at the actual compressor size and design to really make an informative decision. I would like to have both turbos side be side so I can take them apart and do some actual measuring but I don't think one turbo has such a huge advantage over the other like you make it seem.
Dude....you just like to argue don't you. I was saying a Evo 9 turbo DOES NOT COMPARE TO HIS TURBO. Which has a 47lbs/min wheel. I also said it wouldn't compare either when you have one car equiped with all the bolt ons and the other being relatively stock. Yeah, the compressor housing and the exhaust housing may be bigger on the 9's turbo, but the compressor wheel on the Stage 3 is obviously bigger.
Umm, yea, you also said the stock stage 3 turbo doesn't compare to the Evo 9 turbo.
Quote: Originally Posted by Corey
The Evo 9 turbo is a pretty potent turbo for a stock turbo, but in no way will it compare to something like yours....or the base Stage 3 IMO .
How is it obvious that the stock stage 3 wheel is bigger then the Evo compressor wheel when no body has compared them side by side. Let's get the measurements of both, I'm sure they're floating around our respective forums somewhere. I'm not attacking you like other members on here, so take it easy. I just want to clear things up that's all.
Yeah, I said it doens't compare. The flow rates show that. Last time I checked, 44lbs/min > 36lbs./min. I also was saying that in the OP's situation, the stock 9 turbo doesn't compare to his upgraded 47lbs./min wheel. I know the compressor housing and exhaust housing may be bigger on the 9's turbo, but the Stage 3 housing utilizes the bigger wheel. The EVOgreen uses a stock 9 turbo housing as well, but the wheel is upgraded to flow 47lbs./min. I'm taking everything easy, just showing you what I found about our turbo thats all and from what I've read it doesn't compare.
Thats how I see it.... I look at this as we are debating not really arguing, but I like doing that too.
There are no flow rates for the stage 3 turbo. We have no way to log the stage 3 turbo other then an aem ems, which I don't believe any stage 3 owners are running offhand. Anything you mention regarding the flow of our stage 3 turbo vs. the Evo 9 turbo is purely speculation because you don't have actual stage 3 turbo flow rates to make any serious comparison. In order to make any viable comparison between both turbos flow rates both engines must have indentical volumetric efficiencies (boost pressure, rpm and displacement). Maximum flow rate of a high boost turbo running 100+ octane is not a practical comparison. In the end this whole conversation just may be a wash. Or to be honest, I don't feel like doing all the work to see which turbo actually has the advantage... I just believe both turbos are very similar in size with one not having any extreme advantage over the other. To think otherwise without any actual proof would be purely guessing.
There are no flow rates for the stage 3 turbo. We have no way to log the stage 3 turbo other then an aem ems, which I don't believe any stage 3 owners are running offhand. Anything you mention regarding the flow of our stage 3 turbo vs. the Evo 9 turbo is purely speculation because you don't have actual stage 3 turbo flow rates to make any serious comparison. In order to make any viable comparison between both turbos flow rates both engines must have indentical volumetric efficiencies (boost pressure, rpm and displacement). Maximum flow rate of a high boost turbo running 100+ octane is not a practical comparison. In the end this whole conversation just may be a wash. Or to be honest, I don't feel like doing all the work to see which turbo actually has the advantage... I just believe both turbos are very similar in size with one not having any extreme advantage over the other. To think otherwise without any actual proof would be purely guessing.
Surely you should be able to find something about it. They've been out long enough for some tuner or owner to have logged it by now. Comparing size of the turbos housings are similar, but I'm talking just performance. In performance, the EVO 9 turbo doesn't compare to a stage 3 turbo or a upgraded one at that IMO. It simply does not flow the same amount of air. If that was the case, FP would have never came out with a stock appearing turbo with a bigger wheel that flows 47lbs./min.....the EVOgreen.
You say you want a practical comparison? What about a practical comparison between a stock turbo 9 and a Stage 3 SRT with the normal wheel? I'm not talking a vid like this one where one car has full bolt ons and running big boost with meth while the other is relatively stock with a exhaust, intake, mbc, and on pump gas. This is the whole reason I subsribed to this thread. That the OP's last two vids of him racing this EVO was not a clear comparison. Its just pointing out the obvious.
I would like to see a regular Stage 3 and and stock turbo 9 run, but with the same mods....minus the turbo of course. That means if one is on race gas the other should be too. If you know of any vids on here of that nature point me to them.
There are no flow rates for the stage 3 turbo. We have no way to log the stage 3 turbo other then an aem ems, which I don't believe any stage 3 owners are running offhand. Anything you mention regarding the flow of our stage 3 turbo vs. the Evo 9 turbo is purely speculation because you don't have actual stage 3 turbo flow rates to make any serious comparison. In order to make any viable comparison between both turbos flow rates both engines must have indentical volumetric efficiencies (boost pressure, rpm and displacement). Maximum flow rate of a high boost turbo running 100+ octane is not a practical comparison. In the end this whole conversation just may be a wash. Or to be honest, I don't feel like doing all the work to see which turbo actually has the advantage... I just believe both turbos are very similar in size with one not having any extreme advantage over the other. To think otherwise without any actual proof would be purely guessing.
Surely you should be able to find something about it. They've been out long enough for some tuner or owner to have logged it by now. Comparing size of the turbos housings are similar, but I'm talking just performance. In performance, the EVO 9 turbo doesn't compare to a stage 3 turbo or a upgraded one at that IMO. It simply does not flow the same amount of air. If that was the case, FP would have never came out with a stock appearing turbo with a bigger wheel that flows 47lbs./min.....the EVOgreen.
You say you want a practical comparison? What about a practical comparison between a stock turbo 9 and a Stage 3 SRT with the normal wheel? I'm not talking a vid like this one where one car has full bolt ons and running big boost with meth while the other is relatively stock with a exhaust, intake, mbc, and on pump gas. This is the whole reason I subsribed to this thread. That the OP's last two vids of him racing this EVO was not a clear comparison. Its just pointing out the obvious.
I would like to see a regular Stage 3 and and stock turbo 9 run, but with the same mods....minus the turbo of course. That means if one is on race gas the other should be too. If you know of any vids on here of that nature point me to them.
I'll agree with the stock stage 3 turbo/stock evo 9 turbo idea. A relatively stock stage 3 w/ basic boltons vs. a similarly equipped Evo 9 running the same gas would make for a nice race. No meth, no big wheels, no built motors, etc... I believe there may be a couple vids of that nature on here from what I recall... When I get more time I'll take a look and see if they actually exist.
hmm aren't fully bolted on/reflashed evo 9s able to hit or get real close to 400whp on the stocker? a stage 3 car fully bolted on gets around the same. How are these NOT similar in performance? granted a big wheel S3 car will outperform an evo 9 stocker...
There are no flow rates for the stage 3 turbo. We have no way to log the stage 3 turbo other then an aem ems, which I don't believe any stage 3 owners are running offhand. Anything you mention regarding the flow of our stage 3 turbo vs. the Evo 9 turbo is purely speculation because you don't have actual stage 3 turbo flow rates to make any serious comparison. In order to make any viable comparison between both turbos flow rates both engines must have indentical volumetric efficiencies (boost pressure, rpm and displacement). Maximum flow rate of a high boost turbo running 100+ octane is not a practical comparison. In the end this whole conversation just may be a wash. Or to be honest, I don't feel like doing all the work to see which turbo actually has the advantage... I just believe both turbos are very similar in size with one not having any extreme advantage over the other. To think otherwise without any actual proof would be purely guessing.
Surely you should be able to find something about it. They've been out long enough for some tuner or owner to have logged it by now. Comparing size of the turbos housings are similar, but I'm talking just performance. In performance, the EVO 9 turbo doesn't compare to a stage 3 turbo or a upgraded one at that IMO. It simply does not flow the same amount of air. If that was the case, FP would have never came out with a stock appearing turbo with a bigger wheel that flows 47lbs./min.....the EVOgreen.
You say you want a practical comparison? What about a practical comparison between a stock turbo 9 and a Stage 3 SRT with the normal wheel? I'm not talking a vid like this one where one car has full bolt ons and running big boost with meth while the other is relatively stock with a exhaust, intake, mbc, and on pump gas. This is the whole reason I subsribed to this thread. That the OP's last two vids of him racing this EVO was not a clear comparison. Its just pointing out the obvious.
I would like to see a regular Stage 3 and and stock turbo 9 run, but with the same mods....minus the turbo of course. That means if one is on race gas the other should be too. If you know of any vids on here of that nature point me to them.
I'll agree with the stock stage 3 turbo/stock evo 9 turbo idea. A relatively stock stage 3 w/ basic boltons vs. a similarly equipped Evo 9 running the same gas would make for a nice race. No meth, no big wheels, no built motors, etc... I believe there may be a couple vids of that nature on here from what I recall... When I get more time I'll take a look and see if they actually exist.
I would like to see a regular Stage 3 and and stock turbo 9 run, but with the same mods....minus the turbo of course. That means if one is on race gas the other should be too. If you know of any vids on here of that nature point me to them.
I would also like to see this. And I would be willing to go as far as to say that mod-for-mod, the evo 9 (or evo 8 w/cams) would win both roll and dig races.. IMHO, I think the evo's turbo flows more air and spools faster than the Stage 3 (normal wheel).
-M
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I would like to see a regular Stage 3 and and stock turbo 9 run, but with the same mods....minus the turbo of course. That means if one is on race gas the other should be too. If you know of any vids on here of that nature point me to them.
I would also like to see this. And I would be willing to go as far as to say that mod-for-mod, the evo 9 (or evo 8 w/cams) would win both roll and dig races.. IMHO, I think the evo's turbo flows more air and spools faster than the Stage 3 (normal wheel).
-M
This is I think what you are looking for.
Stage 3 w/toys HOM on pump gas
3" Exhaust
alky injection
K&N drop-in
APG WG
Whats your trap speeds? I know my buddy has ran a 7.46 @ 95-96mph in his 8 with the green on it.
I'll see if I can find anything without popping a blood vessel.
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