A modified stg3 trapping in low to mid 120's vs a stock turbo i trapping 110-112?
Why would you even bother racing...We already know you'd win even if you missed every gear.
with the mods listed on that evo if its running around 20psi its making OVER 300awhp, so i can guarantee its trapping more around 115+ maybe even 118ish.
Try running something more your speed - like a GT35R EVO with cams, meth, etc.. I seriously doubt you'd fly past him from a dig..
-M
^^ thanks captain obvious.
anyway,
Stage 3 turbo is not a BIG turbo. Anyone else see it this way?
It isn't a big turbo, but that's what I would have gotten if I had kept my SRT-4. The powerband is very appealing.
It's not a big turbo, but it's still bigger than a stock Evo
Are you sure? I'll bet you one dollar that the evo 9 turbo is bigger than a stage 3.
Bigger meaning it flows more punds per minute.
What's the flow on a stock wheeled stage 3 with cams? Most bolt-on Evo9's won't clear 40lbs/min. Cammed ones with race gas usually peak out around 43lbs/min. They won't flow as much as a Stage 3 with an upgraded wheel. This is using a pocketlogger. Are there any Stage3's that have logged theirs or can you log SRT-4s like that?
I'm not going based on ratings because I think the Evo9 is rated low, those are peak flow numbers from what I've seen on the forums.
The arguments about the cost of an SRT4 compared to an EVO/STI is just retarded (as stated earlier). You can't add the purchase price of a car to the overall cost of making a car fast ... assine! We all have different budgets and most SRT4 owners on these boards, if purchase price was identical, would get the EVO/STI in a heartbeat...
-M
There's no right or wrong to an opinion, there's only those who don't want to hear what others have to say. I don't see anything wrong with adding the total amount of money invested into a car. You may think otherwise, that's cool. Just don't tell someone that their opinion is asinine because you think you're opinion is far better. That turns a simple discussion into a retarded argument.
The replacement car hard-on changes like the wind around here. One month its an EVO, the next it's an STI, after that it's a G35, last month it was the Cobra. This is not unusual with a car of this nature and the average age of owners on this site.
Well I see plenty of S2 vs Evo 9 races and nobody complains about the fact that the Evo 9's turbo flows way more than a stock turbo cert. Peeps can't just post vids anymore cause of crybabies.
The arguments about the cost of an SRT4 compared to an EVO/STI is just retarded (as stated earlier). You can't add the purchase price of a car to the overall cost of making a car fast ... assine! We all have different budgets and most SRT4 owners on these boards, if purchase price was identical, would get the EVO/STI in a heartbeat...
-M
There's no right or wrong to an opinion, there's only those who don't want to hear what others have to say. I don't see anything wrong with adding the total amount of money invested into a car. You may think otherwise, that's cool. Just don't tell someone that their opinion is asinine because you think you're opinion is far better. That turns a simple discussion into a retarded argument.
I never stated that my opinion is far better so how do you know what I was thinking? I am just using simple logic. People have many budgets. Is the next door neighbor wasting money because he bought a SL65 AMG that got took at the track by a modded SRT4? That's the argument here and I think it's a ridiculous argument just to prove that someone paid less money to get a faster car.
-M
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A modified stg3 trapping in low to mid 120's vs a stock turbo i trapping 110-112?
Why would you even bother racing...We already know you'd win even if you missed every gear.
with the mods listed on that evo if its running around 20psi its making OVER 300awhp, so i can guarantee its trapping more around 115+ maybe even 118ish.
I honestly don't think a Evo 9 with the mods of the one in the vid is going 115+ mph in the 1/4. Well....at least not on straight 93 oct pump gas.
The Evo 9 turbo isn't any bigger than the 8's besides the compressor housing. The turbine wheel is still a 16G and I don't think it flows 47lbs/min. Like I said in a earlier post, this would be a better vid/race if the OP was on straight pump without meth or if the Evo was running higher boost on some race gas.
Its clear a lighter car with more mods and power is gonna win over a heavier car with less mods and power.
The arguments about the cost of an SRT4 compared to an EVO/STI is just retarded (as stated earlier). You can't add the purchase price of a car to the overall cost of making a car fast ... assine! We all have different budgets and most SRT4 owners on these boards, if purchase price was identical, would get the EVO/STI in a heartbeat...
-M
There's no right or wrong to an opinion, there's only those who don't want to hear what others have to say. I don't see anything wrong with adding the total amount of money invested into a car. You may think otherwise, that's cool. Just don't tell someone that their opinion is asinine because you think you're opinion is far better. That turns a simple discussion into a retarded argument.
I never stated that my opinion is far better so how do you know what I was thinking? I am just using simple logic. People have many budgets. Is the next door neighbor wasting money because he bought a SL65 AMG that got took at the track by a modded SRT4? That's the argument here and I think it's a ridiculous argument just to prove that someone paid less money to get a faster car.
-M
M, do you remember commenting that my particular beliefs are "assine" (I'm assuming you meant asinine)......... Logic would tell me that it sure seems you don't like what I have to say otherwise you wouldn't have attempted to make a negative comment. So to surmise, you make a negative comment about my opinion then you continue to reiterate your beliefs =you think your opinion is better. Come on man, that's just common sense, I don't need to be inside your head to figure that out.
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You can't add the purchase price of a car to the overall cost of making a car fast ... assine!
Like I said before, the only reason why I mentioned the price of the srt-4 is to stir up the pot. It’s really not that important. I say all this because I find it funny that you complain that the srt-4 has more money put into its mods. When comparing two completely different vehicles it shouldn’t make a difference if one person spent slightly more money modifying their car. That is why I made the comment about price, just to bring up the fact that we’re talking about two different vehicles. If you’re going to sit there and tell me the srt-4 has more money dropped into its modifications I’m going to tell you that the more expensive EVO has a more potent stock power plant. The EVO IX does not need to spend the same amount of money to achieve the same amount of power. These are two different vehicles, the mod for mod comparison does not apply here especially when racing from a dig.
Try running something more your speed - like a GT35R EVO with cams, meth, etc.. I seriously doubt you'd fly past him from a dig..
-M
^^ thanks captain obvious.
anyway,
Stage 3 turbo is not a BIG turbo. Anyone else see it this way?
It isn't a big turbo, but that's what I would have gotten if I had kept my SRT-4. The powerband is very appealing.
It's not a big turbo, but it's still bigger than a stock Evo
Are you sure? I'll bet you one dollar that the evo 9 turbo is bigger than a stage 3.
Bigger meaning it flows more punds per minute.
What's the flow on a stock wheeled stage 3 with cams? Most bolt-on Evo9's won't clear 40lbs/min. Cammed ones with race gas usually peak out around 43lbs/min. They won't flow as much as a Stage 3 with an upgraded wheel. This is using a pocketlogger. Are there any Stage3's that have logged theirs or can you log SRT-4s like that?
I'm not going based on ratings because I think the Evo9 is rated low, those are peak flow numbers from what I've seen on the forums.
I have not flow tested a stage 3. Just going off of the turbine and compressor housing + wheel. I'm not sure what size turbine wheel the stage 3 has. but the evo nine compressor housing is bigger than stage 3.
So to surmise, you make a negative comment about my opinion then you continue to reiterate your beliefs =you think your opinion is better. Come on man, that's just common sense, I don't need to be inside your head to figure that out.
I said it's asinine because it doesn't seem logical to me - not because I think mine is better. So if you want to assume that me stating my opinion is more logical and thus makes it better, then ok. While we are talking about opinions, I guess I have a right to think my opinion is better..
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These are two different vehicles, the mod for mod comparison does not apply here especially when racing from a dig.
Try running something more your speed - like a GT35R EVO with cams, meth, etc.. I seriously doubt you'd fly past him from a dig..
-M
^^ thanks captain obvious.
anyway,
Stage 3 turbo is not a BIG turbo. Anyone else see it this way?
It isn't a big turbo, but that's what I would have gotten if I had kept my SRT-4. The powerband is very appealing.
It's not a big turbo, but it's still bigger than a stock Evo
Are you sure? I'll bet you one dollar that the evo 9 turbo is bigger than a stage 3.
Bigger meaning it flows more punds per minute.
What's the flow on a stock wheeled stage 3 with cams? Most bolt-on Evo9's won't clear 40lbs/min. Cammed ones with race gas usually peak out around 43lbs/min. They won't flow as much as a Stage 3 with an upgraded wheel. This is using a pocketlogger. Are there any Stage3's that have logged theirs or can you log SRT-4s like that?
I'm not going based on ratings because I think the Evo9 is rated low, those are peak flow numbers from what I've seen on the forums.
I have not flow tested a stage 3. Just going off of the turbine and compressor housing + wheel. I'm not sure what size turbine wheel the stage 3 has. but the evo nine compressor housing is bigger than stage 3.
So to surmise, you make a negative comment about my opinion then you continue to reiterate your beliefs =you think your opinion is better. Come on man, that's just common sense, I don't need to be inside your head to figure that out.
I said it's asinine because it doesn't seem logical to me - not because I think mine is better. So if you want to assume that me stating my opinion is more logical and thus makes it better, then ok. While we are talking about opinions, I guess I have a right to think my opinion is better..
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These are two different vehicles, the mod for mod comparison does not apply here especially when racing from a dig.
Exactly.
-M
Very well. It was a pleasure discussing this with you.
well my friend does'nt believe me that a stock for stock evo and srt-4 off a roll of about 55-60 srt-4 will beat evo's what do you guys think ???
Stock for Stock from a roll a SRT-4 would be an EVO VIII in most cases.
However, the SRT-4 should not beat a IX, period.
Good vids, sad driver in the EVO though, very sad.
I would say it would be a good race with an 05 Evo, but I would give the edge to the Evo stock vs stock. The 03-04 Evo's would probably get pulled stock vs stock.
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