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Old 06-21-2009, 01:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
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anyone do this, i want to do it but need to know what the ignition parameters need to be set at and what out puts to use
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Are you talking about using 2.7L ignition coils like the DSM guys?
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anyone do this, i want to do it but need to know what the ignition parameters need to be set at and what out puts to use



Can I ask why?
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Can I ask why?


why what, ...........
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why what, ...........



Why do you want to do it?
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Why do you want to do it?

so i can be cool and get some rice points
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so i can be cool and get some rice points



Oh. I figured some LED tails, one wiper conversion, and neon lights would have done the job
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Oh. I figured some LED tails, one wiper conversion, and neon lights would have done the job

lol, naa I'm running a couple steps colder and want to convert to E-85, i figure that N20 some W/M and the 35r should add up to some serious resistance, in the past i would gap the plugs tight but they would eventually foul soo i got a DIS box now i gap em at .04 and have passed 450 without any blow out

i dont want to go back to .025 gap and have em foul every couple weeks

i have been siting on another dis2 box and was just gonna use 2 of em to make a dis-4 but @ 190 mj per out put ...either that or i can sell it for .02 on the dollar
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I'm going this route:

M&W Ignitions

With the AEM COP set-up.

Already seen several 600+ EVo's with this set-up and running plug gaps that look normal .035-.050


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I'm going this route:

M&W Ignitions

With the AEM COP set-up.

Already seen several 600+ EVo's with this set-up and running plug gaps that look normal .035-.050


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i'm thinking of two of these MSD Ignition 6212 - MSD Programmable DIS-2 Ignitions – SummitRacing.com

and 4 of these MSD Ignition 8230 - MSD Blaster DIS Racing Ignition Coils – SummitRacing.com


somehow i have 2 of the boxes , so i would just need the coils and it should equal a 7/8 series ignition
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i'm thinking of two of these MSD Ignition 6212 - MSD Programmable DIS-2 Ignitions – SummitRacing.com

and 4 of these MSD Ignition 8230 - MSD Blaster DIS Racing Ignition Coils – SummitRacing.com


somehow i have 2 of the boxes , so i would just need the coils and it should equal a 7/8 series ignition

Would there be sync issues between the 2 boxes? I'm not sure I understand how the wire diagram works for 2 DIS-2's.

I'd looked at the blaster coils and somehow not given them a second look, maybe the MSD stigma, I'll look into these coils tonight.

Thanks Nutz


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no matter what you do you need to get rid of the waste spark, it fires twice as much so it cuts the capacity of the coil in half (rpm), so with a direct fire you would have 4 drivers running 4 channels on your box (inturn running 4 coils), i have 2 very hot box's each with a total of 190mj (box's are rated for total output not per channeL) so two would give me 360mj of output into a coil with a 36000v 1/2 amp output (volts should never exceed 40000 or it will arc to ground too easily), as for MSD's name they are the best no doubt and trust me i have done the reserch and been a doubter, cranes boxes have a huge failure rate and i hear AEM box's are just flat out junk and burn out quick, and i would not trust the "new guy" who farms out their product from some unknown chineese shop, the big guys still use over seas labor but have their own facilitys,

as for wireing it up you just do it like a 4 channel ...no different

the only problems i see is the amp draw, reliability, and where to put em (cool dry place) i have 1 of the box's mounted in the QP now and dont think i can fit another

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no matter what you do you need to get rid of the waste spark, it fires twice as much so it cuts the capacity of the coil in half (rpm), so with a direct fire you would have 4 drivers running 4 channels on your box (inturn running 4 coils), i have 2 very hot box's each with a total of 190mj (box's are rated for total output not per channeL) so two would give me 360mj of output into a coil with a 36000v 1/2 amp output (volts should never exceed 40000 or it will arc to ground too easily), as for MSD's name they are the best no doubt and trust me i have done the reserch and been a doubter, cranes boxes have a huge failure rate and i hear AEM box's are just flat out junk and burn out quick, and i would not trust the "new guy" who farms out their product from some unknown chineese shop, the big guys still use over seas labor but have their own facilitys,

as for wireing it up you just do it like a 4 channel ...no different

the only problems i see is the amp draw, reliability, and where to put em (cool dry place) i have 1 of the box's mounted in the QP now and dont think i can fit another

Ahhh, I'm understanding a little better now. So my question now, is, whats the total cost to deploy on this system. Are you all in yet on parts? Are you willing to share?

Thanks again Nutz, good info.
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lol, ITS NOT WORTH THE INVESTMENT for most, but i have all the parts (save coils $200) laying around, but if you wanted to do this i would SKIP the coil on plug as it will no give you the needed energy and look into DCR's or aaronneon's set ups ...but look at any where from 1,000-1500
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We are running individual MSD 8261 coils off the Twin Fire. Seems to be no problems so far. Spark is stronger than ever.
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