Mech, it is still undergoing testing. The final product won't be produced until the spring time. We want to see how it flows and beat it up on the track. Pricing is not set yet. I still have to work the final deal with the fabricator. We are not going to rush this thing to production until we are 100% sure it is worth everyones hard earned money.
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Holy shit that's cheap. Maybe I should look into finally building my motor
Well pm me and ill tell you what it was all for, mainly just everything for the rebuild and one pricey item.
Ill say im extremly happy with all the help i have recieved and prices that i was given.
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The purpose of ignition advance is to account for the lag time following spark ignition for combustion pressure to peak at 15 degrees AFTER TOP DEAD CENTER. A little fyi !
Feel free to erase this if you think its out of line Rush. I figured I would post it here as well.
Well we had a huge role in the development/production of the DCR/Realtune manifold and I consider Rush a friend so I will just toss my .02 in. Im going to toss all feelings aside and be honest. Im sure Darrell wont like some of what I say and Im sure Rush wont. I was born and raised in the US of A so Im going to say what I want
Do I think TK maliciously copied the DCR/RT IM?
Anyone with 2 good working eyes can see where the TK manifold got its lineage from. Do I think it was a malicious attempt to rip it off? No I honestly dont believe that. I do feel that our intake was at least pictured mentally as to what it should look like. Lets be honest here though. Its what it SHOULD look like. We have tested so many designs over the years that making it any other way would have been a waste of time. No offense to AGP as their manifold more than does its job for a PNP manifold. However for all out performance its going to be damn hard to beat what we offer.
Do I feel TK should have made this manifold?
This is a sticky one for me to answer but Ill do my best. Way back when we first started selling these manifolds Darrell had a major problem with slow production. Most of the stuff Darrell makes/sells is made by hand. Its to be expected to have delays. However the customer doesnt care if the part is made by hand or made by dolphins, they just want their parts. It was so bad for awhile that it damn near killed it for me. I dealt with a ton of upset people to the point where I almost made them here locally. We had the parts and the know how to do so. I thought about it for a long time and decided against it out of loyalty to the man I worked on so many projects with. Darrell eventually made good and has done much better since than on these intakes. With that being said Rush does not have that same loyalty and shouldnt be held in the same regards. So back to whether or not I think TK should have these built. Im going to have to say yes he should. I know thats not what Darrell would like to hear but Ill try and explain.
First off these manifolds are NOT the same. There are 2 draw backs to what Rush is offering. First IMO its the runners. There is a reason we make the runners the way we do and yes they are different. Im not going to explain this as I think thats what separates ours mostly [and its what you dont see btw]. Second is the plenum. I will explain this. Ours is a one piece construction. Do you not think there is a reason for this? We put our manifolds though some SERIOUS abuse of upwards of 50psi in some cases. The one piece construction is EXTREMLY durable. As to where IMO the TK manifold will split open like a turkey at thanksgiving at 50psi. Now dont get me wrong, the welds look pretty nice on the TK setup and it doesnt look to be constructed poorly one bit....but the fact of the matter is the more welds you have the more chances youll have at a crack or a burst. Same can be said for the runners as well. I just dont see where Dan said its an improvement over what we offer. Even if by chance it happens to make a tad less power in a certain area of the power curve, I can say with almost certainty without having it in hand, that the TK manifold will not take the abuse ours will. You have to keep in mind the amount of people that dont have the know how of whats what as well. What I mean by that is there are so many people that have crappy turbos that surge up a storm...such as a 60 trim. Surging will destroy a manifold as well....we see surging destroy FMICs all the time. Most people blame it on the welding when it was their lack of knowledge that did it.
Now back to why I think Rush should make these. With AGP out of the game there was a need for a middle of the road priced intake manifold. Everyone wants a DCR/RT manifold but not everyone can afford it. Im not sure what TK is selling theirs for but Im assuming it will meet that middle of the road guys who are in need of a manifold and cant afford what we offer. Rush selling his will also lower the price a tad from our end and allow some of the guys on the fence to pick ours up. So in the end it will help us as well. Im sure Darrell has taken a few orders just from this thread.
So in closing, I think in the end everyone will be happy from this. Rush will have a new product out there, DCR will get more orders, and the consumer gets a tad cheaper price. I thought long and hard and thats the conclusion I came up with.
Sorry to Darrell and sorry to Rush as Im sure both of you dont like exactly what Im saying, but its what I feel and as both of you know....I tend not to hold back.
Thanks for reading my ramblings.
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^^^Well said, thank you for the insight man. We will just have to see how much these manis can take when Ram gets the production model on his monster, he is shooting for low 10s, hell maybe even 9s. So, I say if it can hold what they will dish out in that course, I say it would be worth every penny and then some. But, we will see.
As well as the bench flow numbers this puts out. Then we can do a direct comparison. For better or worse. Then all the DCR nuthugers can stop their bitching, and realize DCR pricing was jacked up over cost
(probably 800%) (speculation dont have facts, just for point)
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^^^Well said, thank you for the insight man. We will just have to see how much these manis can take when Ram gets the production model on his monster, he is shooting for low 10s, hell maybe even 9s. So, I say if it can hold what they will dish out in that course, I say it would be worth every penny and then some. But, we will see.
As well as the bench flow numbers this puts out. Then we can do a direct comparison. For better or worse. Then all the DCR nuthugers can stop their bitching, and realize DCR pricing was jacked up over cost
(probably 800%) (speculation dont have facts, just for point)
Not even remotely close.
I know exactly what the break down is and sure there is some margin there. Mainly because of the switch to a standard flange. The original flange cost was very very high. You have to realize the overhead has to get paid somehow. If you have to pay a bit extra to keep the innovation going....its not such a bad thing.
As much as I like Ed, the chances of his car hitting 9s with the setup that Ive been told about are slim to none. Unless he sprays the house down Id be surprised to see a sub 10.3 pass. We will see though.
I know exactly what the break down is and sure there is some margin there. Mainly because of the switch to a standard flange. The original flange cost was very very high. You have to realize the overhead has to get paid somehow. If you have to pay a bit extra to keep the innovation going....its not such a bad thing.
As much as I like Ed, the chances of his car hitting 9s with the setup that Ive been told about are slim to none. Unless he sprays the house down Id be surprised to see a sub 10.3 pass. We will see though.
Aaron
Names Ray LOL I don't know who Ed is
I agree that the odds of us running in the 9's are slim to none (and slim died) we are hoping for a solid mid 10sec car with what we have now. But I was told that we would never run an 11 sec pass on the stock motor, turbo and a map clamp but we did so I guess I am an eternal optimist. I never tended to go along with the crowd. Like to make my own decisions and mistakes that's how this old man stays young at heart. I don't always want proven parts, as I am afraid that the SRT community will become like the Mustang or Bowtie bunch, open a catalog, order parts run a certain number. My son and I turn all our own wrenches and enjoy trying different ways to succeed, and fail .
Like you I also like and have a great respect for Darrell and Rush, And it pains me to see what is going on with this manifold crap. (I wonder if Edlebrock, Holley and others) had this argument when all their intakes ended up looking exactly alike) And also like you I have formed a sort of relationship with Rush and Nick at TKM in the early stages of their Business venture that I think may be along the same lines as you have with Darrell. My biggest worry over this is that I never have to choose between the two either personally or where the hobby is concerned and that I can continue to deal and talk with you, Darrell and Rush and a host of other people on here in the future as I have in the past, because every one of you have had a part in what we are able to accomplish with our SRT-4.
Oh and please PM me on the status of the Box.
Ray (not Ed)
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