I don't see how they could have done better with out physically having the setup there to mock around.
I mean honestly what could have practically been done different?
To play devils advocate, he said he paid for a manifold that would fit. It doesnt look like it fits to be 100% functional...
Your telling me in DCR's stable they dont have ONE car with the engine in it and a DCR intake manifold as well as the same tranny to mock this set up and check fitment? I understand not having the specific turbo but a 4" inlet is the same as another 4" inlet, and so fourth...
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Last edited by supermech21 : 09-01-2009 at 09:54 PM.
thats a mustang tb, I wonder if the elbow thats on the 94-95 mustang gt would fix your problem? the older explorer 5.0's have an elbow also that might work, but its more of a 90 degree. You could modify them to fit....just throwing ideas out there....
he is talking about the intake manifold, not the turbo manifold.
Quote: Originally Posted by supermech21
To play devils advocate, he said he paid for a manifold that would fit. It doesnt look like it fits to be 100% functional...
Your telling me in DCR's stable they dont have ONE car with the engine in it and a DCR intake manifold as well as the same tranny to mock this set up and check fitment? I understand not having the specific turbo but a 4" inlet is the same as another 4" inlet, and so fourth...
honestly that setup looks like a nightmare for plumbing no mater how you do it. It dosent look like it was planned out 1 bit. I don't see any way you could get a charge pipe to the Throttle body through that area along with a charge pipe of the compressor discharge and still have decent room for a non restrictive entrance to the compressor housing. Maybe someone can MS Paint me the pipes on the picture because I'm just not seeing it.
If i absolutly had to have a manifold like that, i would ditch the AC and Power Stearing (wtf does a car with a turbo like that need it for anyway), reverse the intake manifold and dump the charge pipe down the passanger side.
Do they actually physically touch each other? If not, it looks like it could still be made to work, just not easily and with a little custom fab work with the intake and charge piping.
I see your frustration and I hate it when vendors promise a date but can't hold to it. It makes it worse if you pay for it in advance. It's so much better if they tell you up front how long it may really take or lie about it being a lot longer than it will be. When you get your hopes up and plan for a time and it doesn't make it, it pisses you off.
I also think Darrell is doing a great thing by offering your money back. It's a stand up thing to do.
What I think should have been done was send the exhaust mani to DCR for fitment when the intake mani was being built. Possibly the turbo also. That's the only way it could have been avoided 100%. Without that and with only measurements, it's bound to happen(unless you send it in CAD). I'm assuming the exhaust and turbo didn't come from DCR. If the exhaust mani is a DCR unit, then shame on them.
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I was told this manifold should be no problem at all, I was asked to send pics for clearance purpose's so I did.
I see two problems here. DCR has done countless SRT4 jobs, they recieved pictures and dimensions, and then built a manifold relaying the message that there wouldn't be an issue. And then this is the response.......
Quote: Originally Posted by darrell cox
Thats as high and to the front that we can make these due to the hood and charge pipe to intercooler fitment. There is no way to really get around the that turbo inlet with it sitting so far to the front. We simply make a custom shape airbox to feed the inlets when things get that close. We can refund you no problem if you cant use it.
So why the hell didn't you tell him that? Why did you sell him a manifold you knew wouldn't work? I have a hard time believing with your experience that you couldn't tell right away that your manifold would not work for his application. Since when was the customer supposed to be the expert? Customers pay a vender for their product and expertise in that product to know if it is right for their application. And now you say just send it back? Way to waste his whole summer when he could have gone a different route and been driving the car. (I couldn't find any rolling eyes thumbs up)
Quote: Originally Posted by srtslo
I was then told it would ship the following Friday, Long story short 4 months later this is what I have recieved.
Here is the second issue and it seems to be all I here from DCR shipments. A quick promise, they get your money and then all of a sudden things don't ship. Once again, way to waste his summer for nothing.
Last edited by turboshad : 09-02-2009 at 10:53 AM.
still waiting for a explanation or even a drawn picture on how that setup could have been done any better without having the actual manifold to mock off.
still waiting for a explanation or even a drawn picture on how that setup could have been done any better without having the actual manifold to mock off.
If the manifold was needed to mock off of then that should have been asked for and the customer should not have been sold the standard DCR piece. With the experience of DCR it should be a no brainer if their standard manifold will work or not when given pictures and measurements. The issue is DCR said it would be fine which is total neglect on their part.
your assuming DCR did not ask for the manifold to mock off. I'll bet you it was asked for but not provided. I know Darrell enough to know he would defenetly want a manifold in his posession before promissing a guaranteed fit for a completly custom aplication like that.
Customer should have known damn well a perfect fit would have been impossible without a full mockup. Again I still don't see any practical way to make it happen so the point is mute, poor design from the get go.
congrats, you just hit 1 post per year. I knew I could pull it out of you.
Ahhhhh, my favorite post count = inteligence comment. I will have to congratulate you as well.
Quote: Originally Posted by XXxx_Totmacher_xxXX
your assuming DCR did not ask for the manifold to mock off. I'll bet you it was asked for but not provided. I know Darrell enough to know he would defenetly want a manifold in his posession before promissing a guaranteed fit for a completly custom aplication like that.
Customer should have known damn well a perfect fit would have been impossible without a full mockup. Again I still don't see any practical way to make it happen so the point is mute, poor design from the get go.
I know srtslo and have been discussing his manifold with him since the day he bought it. I can guarantee you that he provided everything that DCR asked for. I still stand that if this was an impossible fit that DCR should have easily, and I mean EASILY, been able to recognize it and inform the customer. Instead they felt it was better to just take his money and waste his time. So poor design on the rest of the system asside, DCR still had the info avaliable to make an informed decision on wether the manifold would work or not. If they felt they didn't have the proper information they should have asked or informed srtslo of the risks they saw. Having it even come close to working and a perfect fit are two different things. I don't think he was looking for the perfect fit.
your assuming DCR did not ask for the manifold to mock off. I'll bet you it was asked for but not provided. I know Darrell enough to know he would defenetly want a manifold in his posession before promissing a guaranteed fit for a completly custom aplication like that.
Customer should have known damn well a perfect fit would have been impossible without a full mockup. Again I still don't see any practical way to make it happen so the point is mute, poor design from the get go.
I was asked for pictures from the top and side views which I provided, I was never asked to send anything else to Darrell,
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