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STV3 · 01-16-2013, 05:46 PM

Also considering that seems to be a stock turbo on there running a whole 5psi I doubt the car has these mods in it either

Rev oversized valves
Crower Valve Springs/Retainers
Crower Stage 3 Camshafts
ARP Headstuds
ARP Rod Bolts
Mopar Crankshaft
Mopar Bearing Set
Wisco 8:8 Forged Pistons
Machined Head and Block

benspilk09 · 01-16-2013, 05:52 PM

Holy shit, I'm sorry and hope you can get this all figured out. Who the fuck tunes a car at 5psi? I don't believe that the engine is built either, no way someone built a bottom end for a stock turbo car and half asses the rest of the build like this.

Start by running the check engine codes, you don't need a code reader on these, you cycle the key a few times (forgot exactly what you have to do, I have a code reader) and the code shows up on the trip/ODO display. It sounds like it may not have been rescaled for those injectors and is running stupid rich (does it have a wideband?).

Battary light can be explained by the battery temp. sensor most likely not being on the car

The car shell may not have ABS since it was a swap (not sure if it was standard or not) so that could explain that light, look for the ABS hardware near the brake booster to see if it has everything.

And no a diablosport programmer should not cause ANY lights to come on.

Also, with no WGA, where is the boost going? Is the wastegate flapper just always open and its not building any?

As for the purpose of a swap, it can be cheaper to throw an SRT4 engine in your neon than buying a real one, a wrecked one isn't that expensive. You also don't get the sky high insurance cost that is usually associated with boy racer turbo'd rice rockets, so it will end up being significantly cheaper in the long run because of that. I am half tempted to buy a regular neon with a blown engine for cheap and swap my stuff over, I would like a white car and my car sort of needs a new roof skin, as it looks like a previous owner sat on it and put some creases in it, I was pissed when i noticed that after buying it.

joeydub7 · 01-16-2013, 05:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by STV3

Also considering that seems to be a stock turbo on there running a whole 5psi I doubt the car has these mods in it either

Rev oversized valves
Crower Valve Springs/Retainers
Crower Stage 3 Camshafts
ARP Headstuds
ARP Rod Bolts
Mopar Crankshaft
Mopar Bearing Set
Wisco 8:8 Forged Pistons
Machined Head and Block

Well I guess i have to figure out what it really has and if its a swap im furious because that guys a idiot to do such a thing but i got it on paper that he traded me a 05 SRT4 so there might be something i can do with that...

other than that i like the car i would like to get it in running order but if i cant get it working then who knows

joeydub7 · 01-16-2013, 05:57 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by benspilk09

Holy shit, I'm sorry and hope you can get this all figured out. Who the fuck tunes a car at 5psi? I don't believe that the engine is built either, no way someone built a bottom end for a stock turbo car and half asses the rest of the build like this.

Start by running the check engine codes, you don't need a code reader on these, you cycle the key a few times (forgot exactly what you have to do, I have a code reader) and the code shows up on the trip/ODO display. It sounds like it may not have been rescaled for those injectors and is running stupid rich (does it have a wideband?).

Battary light can be explained by the battery temp. sensor most likely not being on the car

The car shell may not have ABS since it was a swap (not sure if it was standard or not) so that could explain that light, look for the ABS hardware near the brake booster to see if it has everything.

And no a diablosport programmer should not cause ANY lights to come on.

Also, with no WGA, where is the boost going? Is the wastegate flapper just always open and its not building any?

It has a forge wastegate. also dont know where the brak booster is and also are we absolutely 100% sure this is a swap and not a DMV mistake from the getgo...

dallas · 01-16-2013, 06:03 PM

Download or buy a service manual, find vacuum diagrams.

Fix your fuel leak, vacuum leaks, Get an INTAKE ON THAT THING with an air filter. Make sure the wastegate is on and working properly. Start there. Why waste money on A/C and heat when you can't barely drive it anyways. OR take it to a REPUTABLE shop and tell them whats going on and they can try to fix you up. This can all be repaired..it's just going to take lots of time and PATIENCE, and some learning. But over all you need patience and to get it running right (reguardless of what lights are illuminated on the dash). If you need PM me and I'll help you out as much as I can.
The heat should be easy (running 2 hoses from the firewall to the engine), A/C needs a compressor and shit probably. Post more detailed pics of the engine. front, close ups of the top/front.
Dallas

joeydub7 · 01-16-2013, 06:05 PM

STV3 · 01-16-2013, 06:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by joeydub7

It has a forge wastegate. also dont know where the brak booster is and also are we absolutely 100% sure this is a swap and not a DMV mistake from the getgo...

Best way is to run the vin number. I'd say if you have in paper that he claimed to sell you an 2005 dodge neon srt-4 and its really a 2001 neon you could probably pursue legal action. The guy must be a real scum bag to do something like that.

joeydub7 · 01-16-2013, 06:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by dallas

Download or buy a service manual, find vacuum diagrams.

Fix your fuel leak, vacuum leaks, Get an INTAKE ON THAT THING with an air filter. Make sure the wastegate is on and working properly. Start there. Why waste money on A/C and heat when you can't barely drive it anyways. OR take it to a REPUTABLE shop and tell them whats going on and they can try to fix you up. This can all be repaired..it's just going to take lots of time and PATIENCE, and some learning. But over all you need patience and to get it running right (reguardless of what lights are illuminated on the dash). If you need PM me and I'll help you out as much as I can.
The heat should be easy (running 2 hoses from the firewall to the engine), A/C needs a compressor and shit probably. Post more detailed pics of the engine. front, close ups of the top/front.
Dallas

text me 907 687 2550

Crazyced · 01-16-2013, 06:32 PM

Take a picture of the wastegate. No aftermaket wategate have a 5psi spring so you probably have a big boost leak or a shot turbo.

joeydub7 · 01-16-2013, 06:35 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Crazyced

Take a picture of the wastegate. No aftermaket wategate have a 5psi spring so you probably have a big boost leak or a shot turbo.

Text me please numbers ^

Crazyced · 01-16-2013, 06:37 PM

Also I'm not sure what this metal box right over the washer fluid is:

_Nick_ · 01-16-2013, 06:41 PM

Hid driver?

This is why you don't buy a car without doing your homework first.

I feel sorry for the buyer.

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joeydub7 · 01-16-2013, 06:44 PM

I need help bro

Orangeblastn-byu · 01-16-2013, 06:45 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Crazyced

Also I'm not sure what this metal box right over the washer fluid is:

Looks like a hid ballast

Crazyced · 01-16-2013, 06:55 PM

joeydub7: I would start by reading this post.
SRT-4 Performance Modifications and Upgrade Paths

It will give you a good base of where to start. But the car is a mess. I especially fear for the wire hraness rubbing on the sharp metal like that. That is not where the PCM should be. It should be install here with a bracket in front of the cold pipe, to the left of the radiator. Like this:

01-16-2013, 05:46 PM	#16 (permalink)
STV3 SRTforums Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Member Number: 30874 Location: New York Posts: 1,295	Also considering that seems to be a stock turbo on there running a whole 5psi I doubt the car has these mods in it either Rev oversized valves Crower Valve Springs/Retainers Crower Stage 3 Camshafts ARP Headstuds ARP Rod Bolts Mopar Crankshaft Mopar Bearing Set Wisco 8:8 Forged Pistons Machined Head and Block __________________ AGP SOMETHING OR OTHER TURBO TUNED BY NIGEL 373WHP 368WTQ

01-16-2013, 05:52 PM	#17 (permalink)
benspilk09 SRTforums Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Member Number: 88421 Location: Missouri Posts: 583	Holy shit, I'm sorry and hope you can get this all figured out. Who the fuck tunes a car at 5psi? I don't believe that the engine is built either, no way someone built a bottom end for a stock turbo car and half asses the rest of the build like this. Start by running the check engine codes, you don't need a code reader on these, you cycle the key a few times (forgot exactly what you have to do, I have a code reader) and the code shows up on the trip/ODO display. It sounds like it may not have been rescaled for those injectors and is running stupid rich (does it have a wideband?). Battary light can be explained by the battery temp. sensor most likely not being on the car The car shell may not have ABS since it was a swap (not sure if it was standard or not) so that could explain that light, look for the ABS hardware near the brake booster to see if it has everything. And no a diablosport programmer should not cause ANY lights to come on. Also, with no WGA, where is the boost going? Is the wastegate flapper just always open and its not building any? As for the purpose of a swap, it can be cheaper to throw an SRT4 engine in your neon than buying a real one, a wrecked one isn't that expensive. You also don't get the sky high insurance cost that is usually associated with boy racer turbo'd rice rockets, so it will end up being significantly cheaper in the long run because of that. I am half tempted to buy a regular neon with a blown engine for cheap and swap my stuff over, I would like a white car and my car sort of needs a new roof skin, as it looks like a previous owner sat on it and put some creases in it, I was pissed when i noticed that after buying it. __________________ Last edited by benspilk09; 01-16-2013 at 06:01 PM.

01-16-2013, 06:05 PM	#22 (permalink)
STV3 SRTforums Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Member Number: 30874 Location: New York Posts: 1,295	Quote: Originally Posted by joeydub7 It has a forge wastegate. also dont know where the brak booster is and also are we absolutely 100% sure this is a swap and not a DMV mistake from the getgo... Best way is to run the vin number. I'd say if you have in paper that he claimed to sell you an 2005 dodge neon srt-4 and its really a 2001 neon you could probably pursue legal action. The guy must be a real scum bag to do something like that. __________________ AGP SOMETHING OR OTHER TURBO TUNED BY NIGEL 373WHP 368WTQ

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01-16-2013, 05:54 PM	#18 (permalink)
joeydub7 SRTforums Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Member Number: 91605 Location: Hopewell, VA Posts: 3	Quote: Originally Posted by STV3 Also considering that seems to be a stock turbo on there running a whole 5psi I doubt the car has these mods in it either Rev oversized valves Crower Valve Springs/Retainers Crower Stage 3 Camshafts ARP Headstuds ARP Rod Bolts Mopar Crankshaft Mopar Bearing Set Wisco 8:8 Forged Pistons Machined Head and Block Well I guess i have to figure out what it really has and if its a swap im furious because that guys a idiot to do such a thing but i got it on paper that he traded me a 05 SRT4 so there might be something i can do with that... other than that i like the car i would like to get it in running order but if i cant get it working then who knows

01-16-2013, 05:57 PM	#19 (permalink)
joeydub7 SRTforums Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Member Number: 91605 Location: Hopewell, VA Posts: 3	Quote: Originally Posted by benspilk09 Holy shit, I'm sorry and hope you can get this all figured out. Who the fuck tunes a car at 5psi? I don't believe that the engine is built either, no way someone built a bottom end for a stock turbo car and half asses the rest of the build like this. Start by running the check engine codes, you don't need a code reader on these, you cycle the key a few times (forgot exactly what you have to do, I have a code reader) and the code shows up on the trip/ODO display. It sounds like it may not have been rescaled for those injectors and is running stupid rich (does it have a wideband?). Battary light can be explained by the battery temp. sensor most likely not being on the car The car shell may not have ABS since it was a swap (not sure if it was standard or not) so that could explain that light, look for the ABS hardware near the brake booster to see if it has everything. And no a diablosport programmer should not cause ANY lights to come on. Also, with no WGA, where is the boost going? Is the wastegate flapper just always open and its not building any? It has a forge wastegate. also dont know where the brak booster is and also are we absolutely 100% sure this is a swap and not a DMV mistake from the getgo...

01-16-2013, 06:03 PM	#20 (permalink)
dallas SRTforums Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Member Number: 91051 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 63	Download or buy a service manual, find vacuum diagrams. Fix your fuel leak, vacuum leaks, Get an INTAKE ON THAT THING with an air filter. Make sure the wastegate is on and working properly. Start there. Why waste money on A/C and heat when you can't barely drive it anyways. OR take it to a REPUTABLE shop and tell them whats going on and they can try to fix you up. This can all be repaired..it's just going to take lots of time and PATIENCE, and some learning. But over all you need patience and to get it running right (reguardless of what lights are illuminated on the dash). If you need PM me and I'll help you out as much as I can. The heat should be easy (running 2 hoses from the firewall to the engine), A/C needs a compressor and shit probably. Post more detailed pics of the engine. front, close ups of the top/front. Dallas

01-16-2013, 06:05 PM	#21 (permalink)
joeydub7 SRTforums Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Member Number: 91605 Location: Hopewell, VA Posts: 3

01-16-2013, 06:07 PM	#23 (permalink)
joeydub7 SRTforums Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Member Number: 91605 Location: Hopewell, VA Posts: 3	Quote: Originally Posted by dallas Download or buy a service manual, find vacuum diagrams. Fix your fuel leak, vacuum leaks, Get an INTAKE ON THAT THING with an air filter. Make sure the wastegate is on and working properly. Start there. Why waste money on A/C and heat when you can't barely drive it anyways. OR take it to a REPUTABLE shop and tell them whats going on and they can try to fix you up. This can all be repaired..it's just going to take lots of time and PATIENCE, and some learning. But over all you need patience and to get it running right (reguardless of what lights are illuminated on the dash). If you need PM me and I'll help you out as much as I can. The heat should be easy (running 2 hoses from the firewall to the engine), A/C needs a compressor and shit probably. Post more detailed pics of the engine. front, close ups of the top/front. Dallas text me 907 687 2550

01-16-2013, 06:32 PM	#24 (permalink)
Crazyced SRTforums Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Member Number: 56385 Location: Ont Posts: 3,375	Take a picture of the wastegate. No aftermaket wategate have a 5psi spring so you probably have a big boost leak or a shot turbo.

01-16-2013, 06:35 PM	#25 (permalink)
joeydub7 SRTforums Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Member Number: 91605 Location: Hopewell, VA Posts: 3	Quote: Originally Posted by Crazyced Take a picture of the wastegate. No aftermaket wategate have a 5psi spring so you probably have a big boost leak or a shot turbo. Text me please numbers ^

01-16-2013, 06:37 PM	#26 (permalink)
Crazyced SRTforums Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Member Number: 56385 Location: Ont Posts: 3,375	Also I'm not sure what this metal box right over the washer fluid is:

01-16-2013, 06:44 PM	#28 (permalink)
joeydub7 SRTforums Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Member Number: 91605 Location: Hopewell, VA Posts: 3	I need help bro

01-16-2013, 06:45 PM	#29 (permalink)
Orangeblastn-byu SRTforums Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Member Number: 90636 Location: Nor cali Posts: 166	Quote: Originally Posted by Crazyced Also I'm not sure what this metal box right over the washer fluid is: Looks like a hid ballast

01-16-2013, 06:55 PM	#30 (permalink)
Crazyced SRTforums Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Member Number: 56385 Location: Ont Posts: 3,375	joeydub7: I would start by reading this post. SRT-4 Performance Modifications and Upgrade Paths It will give you a good base of where to start. But the car is a mess. I especially fear for the wire hraness rubbing on the sharp metal like that. That is not where the PCM should be. It should be install here with a bracket in front of the cold pipe, to the left of the radiator. Like this:

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