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Old 01-13-2004, 07:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Alignment HELP!!

Below are my alignment specs after the dealer did it. Please let me know if this is good or not. I have no idea what I am looking at


Front left caster 3.3
Front right caster 3.8

Front left Camber -0.2
Front Right camber -0.3

Front left Toe 0.15
Front right toe 0.05
total 0.20

Rear left Camber -1.4
Rear Right camber -1.2

Rear left toe 0.15
Rear Right toe 0.15
total 0.30

SAI left 11.8
SAI right 10.0

Included Angle left 11.6
Included Angle Right 9.7

Setback front -0.4
Setback rear -0.1
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Damn that thing must shake like hell!
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The alignment specs for the stage 3 coilovers are listed as.

Front Toe: +0.2 toe in
Camber: -1.5

Rear Toe: 0 to +0.1
Camber: -0.5 to -1

I'm not sure the specs for stock.

THis isn't stock, I have the goldlines on my car..
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Damn that thing must shake like hell!

It doesn't shake, or pull.. Just wondering if anyone knows if these specs are in order for a car with the goldlines..
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did you wreck your shit? the SAI should be the same right to left and the Included angle should be the same right to left, or no more than .5 difference!


and what is the toe measured in? inches or degrees?

anywho, I don't like your numbers! it shouldn't be driving very good!
oh and I was a brake suspension mechanic for a good while...and these numbers aren't good, I think you might have gotten confused, i hope so at least, maybe your right angle sai and your right angle included angle are supposed to say right angle sai and left angle sai, I hope so at least

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Below are my alignment specs after the dealer did it. Please let me know if this is good or not. I have no idea what I am looking at


Front left caster 3.3
Front right caster 3.8

Front left Camber -0.2
Front Right camber -0.3

Front left Toe 0.15
Front right toe 0.05
total 0.20

Rear left Camber -1.4
Rear Right camber -1.2

Rear left toe 0.15
Rear Right toe 0.15
total 0.30

SAI left 11.8
SAI right 10.0

Included Angle left 11.6
Included Angle Right 9.7

Setback front -0.4
Setback rear -0.1


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Old 01-13-2004, 08:02 PM   #7 (permalink)
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mostly yes, you want some difference in the caster at least, we went for .5 more on the right than the left, it made it drive straight on a crowned road.


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I haven't seen any specs for the Included Angle, SAI, or Setback. It looks like they thought your car was rwd. The rear has 4X-7X's the camber the front has. Shouldn't everthing be the same on both sides? Or at least real close.

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How does caster affect that? Isn;t caster the same as tilt?
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How does caster affect that? Isn;t caster the same as tilt?

Yep... he must have meant camber, caster is pretty much only adjustable with an SUV or or really tall curb...

The alignment doesn't look bad to me, they could have done a better job with the front toe adjustment, but the camber looks about right after lowering with a spring like the Goldline. You see, camber, like caster, is non adjustable, and unless you install camber plates or slot the struts like the Mopar Stage 3's are, the only adjustments you have are toe....

And for the person adjusting his camber, caster, or toe to account for the crown in the road, do you readjust it before entering parking lots, or driving on streets other than the ones you 'adjusted' for? How does the side to side inclination of the vehicle affect how the car tracks in a straight line? It doesn't, if the alignment is setup properly for a flay, level surface.

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The rears have caster adjustment dont they?

BTW : Dale how much camber adjustment can you get outta your KW's?
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The rears have caster adjustment dont they?

BTW : Dale how much camber adjustment can you get outta your KW's?

If you wanted to adjust rear caster, I suppose you could shim the 'trailing arm' but I don't see a need for having anything but zero... Caster is pretty much the tendancy of the steering wheel to want to 'rezero' itself during a turn. The more + caster (think chopper motorcycle) the more the vehicle wants to go in a straight line, the more - caster (think shopping cart), the more a vehicle will allow to you turn and turn without providing resistance.



KW camber- Although I set the camber for zero (thanks for reminding me to realign before the NATs), we estimated a -2.5 to -3.0 max front camber adjustment. "Estimated" was the key word there...
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The only adjustment is the toe. We have no adjustments to camber or caster. These were "built in" to the car.

Camber kits would help get rid of the rear negative camber and help you gain some on the front.

Dale -- would that much caster aid in stability and road feel? I know OEM on 04 it calls for 2.6.
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Well they say caster is non-adjustable, but based on the fact that i di my bushings, I cannot see why they said so. The rear trailing arm can be turned quite a bit, thats why I asked.
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did you wreck your shit? the SAI should be the same right to left and the Included angle should be the same right to left, or no more than .5 difference!


and what is the toe measured in? inches or degrees?

anywho, I don't like your numbers! it shouldn't be driving very good!
oh and I was a brake suspension mechanic for a good while...and these numbers aren't good, I think you might have gotten confused, i hope so at least, maybe your right angle sai and your right angle included angle are supposed to say right angle sai and left angle sai, I hope so at least

Nope, Not wrecked.. I typed up everything just as it was on the paper printout they gave me.
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did you wreck your shit? the SAI should be the same right to left and the Included angle should be the same right to left, or no more than .5 difference!


and what is the toe measured in? inches or degrees?

anywho, I don't like your numbers! it shouldn't be driving very good!
oh and I was a brake suspension mechanic for a good while...and these numbers aren't good, I think you might have gotten confused, i hope so at least, maybe your right angle sai and your right angle included angle are supposed to say right angle sai and left angle sai, I hope so at least

Oh BTW, it was degrees
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