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Old 06-26-2007, 12:16 PM   #211 (permalink)
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I've got tracking numbers on just about everything. Almost all the stuff is coming in on Friday, but one box of parts got delayed until Monday.

The boards are still unknown. They should be shipping any day now, with 2-day shipping. When I have all the tracking numbers I'll post up the date.

I'm also getting the code ready. I've been coding every night.... I have to make sure the base firmware plus the windows firmware upgrade program is ready in time for launch. The advanced features will be rolled out as user software upgrades over the next few months.

what kind of advanced features are we talking about?

Will my box ship out with this batch? hint my paypal address is the same as my screen name plus @hotmail.com

All the orders will ship out of this batch. We'll have 100 of them.
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Old 06-26-2007, 12:18 PM   #212 (permalink)
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I've got tracking numbers on just about everything. Almost all the stuff is coming in on Friday, but one box of parts got delayed until Monday.

The boards are still unknown. They should be shipping any day now, with 2-day shipping. When I have all the tracking numbers I'll post up the date.

I'm also getting the code ready. I've been coding every night.... I have to make sure the base firmware plus the windows firmware upgrade program is ready in time for launch. The advanced features will be rolled out as user software upgrades over the next few months.

what kind of advanced features are we talking about?

Will my box ship out with this batch? hint my paypal address is the same as my screen name plus @hotmail.com

All the orders will ship out of this batch. We'll have 100 of them.

The advanced features are the laptop interface for logging, exact settings ,etc...

Also, we're going to have an optional second trigger signal that can be enabled through the windows interface. That second trigger signal could be MAP, RPM or vehicle speed. We think most users won't need the second trigger. Only people that launch their cars in WOT may need it...
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Old 06-26-2007, 12:30 PM   #213 (permalink)
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I've got tracking numbers on just about everything. Almost all the stuff is coming in on Friday, but one box of parts got delayed until Monday.

The boards are still unknown. They should be shipping any day now, with 2-day shipping. When I have all the tracking numbers I'll post up the date.

I'm also getting the code ready. I've been coding every night.... I have to make sure the base firmware plus the windows firmware upgrade program is ready in time for launch. The advanced features will be rolled out as user software upgrades over the next few months.

what kind of advanced features are we talking about?

Will my box ship out with this batch? hint my paypal address is the same as my screen name plus @hotmail.com

All the orders will ship out of this batch. We'll have 100 of them.

The advanced features are the laptop interface for logging, exact settings ,etc...

Also, we're going to have an optional second trigger signal that can be enabled through the windows interface. That second trigger signal could be MAP, RPM or vehicle speed. We think most users won't need the second trigger. Only people that launch their cars in WOT may need it...

what like using a 2 step in the TCS.

That might come in handy then. Cool thanks.
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Old 06-26-2007, 12:37 PM   #214 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by scottw03

what like using a 2 step in the TCS.

That might come in handy then. Cool thanks.

That could be it. We had a WOT Box installed on a test car and got a report back that it may have inadvertently activated while launching. Luckily, we were smart enough to leave an extra input on the device that we can reprogram to do whatever we want... :-)

So, we'll probably give the option to tap into a rear wheel speed sensor and have it activate above X MPH or the crank position sensor and activate above X RPM or even the MAP sensor and activate above X psi.

Let us know which one you think you'll want to use...
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If you used the RPM one would it deactivate when the RPMs drop and you don't have the stick in gear yet? Otherwise I could see having it set for like 5500-6000 rpms this way it is activated by the time I go to shift. Either that or have it activate when I hit over 30 mph. I won't be WOT shifting from 1st to 2nd but 2nd to 3rd maybe and definately 3rd to 4th.
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If you used the RPM one would it deactivate when the RPMs drop and you don't have the stick in gear yet? Otherwise I could see having it set for like 5500-6000 rpms this way it is activated by the time I go to shift. Either that or have it activate when I hit over 30 mph. I won't be WOT shifting from 1st to 2nd but 2nd to 3rd maybe and definately 3rd to 4th.

It would deactivate at whatever threshold you set the RPM to. I think in our first generation WOT Box we set it at 4000 RPM. But, that would be user customizable.

So, it would be you must be at > X % TPS and > X RPM for the system to be active. Otherwise, hitting the clutch would not do anything.
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If you used the RPM one would it deactivate when the RPMs drop and you don't have the stick in gear yet? Otherwise I could see having it set for like 5500-6000 rpms this way it is activated by the time I go to shift. Either that or have it activate when I hit over 30 mph. I won't be WOT shifting from 1st to 2nd but 2nd to 3rd maybe and definately 3rd to 4th.

It would deactivate at whatever threshold you set the RPM to. I think in our first generation WOT Box we set it at 4000 RPM. But, that would be user customizable.

So, it would be you must be at > X % TPS and > X RPM for the system to be active. Otherwise, hitting the clutch would not do anything.

aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh, I see. ok, I could see something like that. But, excuse the stupid question, what would be the point of having to other variables included into the equation just to be able to use the WOT shifting. Wouldn't it be better to have it on all the time and when I push the clutch in it will then cut the power.

Sorry, I like the ideas of failsafes but just trying to understand how this would be a benefit over having it always on.
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If you used the RPM one would it deactivate when the RPMs drop and you don't have the stick in gear yet? Otherwise I could see having it set for like 5500-6000 rpms this way it is activated by the time I go to shift. Either that or have it activate when I hit over 30 mph. I won't be WOT shifting from 1st to 2nd but 2nd to 3rd maybe and definately 3rd to 4th.

It would deactivate at whatever threshold you set the RPM to. I think in our first generation WOT Box we set it at 4000 RPM. But, that would be user customizable.

So, it would be you must be at > X % TPS and > X RPM for the system to be active. Otherwise, hitting the clutch would not do anything.

aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh, I see. ok, I could see something like that. But, excuse the stupid question, what would be the point of having to other variables included into the equation just to be able to use the WOT shifting. Wouldn't it be better to have it on all the time and when I push the clutch in it will then cut the power.

Sorry, I like the ideas of failsafes but just trying to understand how this would be a benefit over having it always on.

The point is to prevent it from false triggering when you are launching your car at WOT. If you are in WOT when you launch, the clutch engagement will be recognized as a shift, and it will cut the ignition just when you want to launch. So, that's bad. Adding a second input will prevent that false trigger from happening and ruining your launch.

If you don't plan on WOT launching, then you won't need to bother with the second input. Most of our testers haven't asked for it.
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Old 06-26-2007, 01:33 PM   #219 (permalink)
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If you used the RPM one would it deactivate when the RPMs drop and you don't have the stick in gear yet? Otherwise I could see having it set for like 5500-6000 rpms this way it is activated by the time I go to shift. Either that or have it activate when I hit over 30 mph. I won't be WOT shifting from 1st to 2nd but 2nd to 3rd maybe and definately 3rd to 4th.

It would deactivate at whatever threshold you set the RPM to. I think in our first generation WOT Box we set it at 4000 RPM. But, that would be user customizable.

So, it would be you must be at > X % TPS and > X RPM for the system to be active. Otherwise, hitting the clutch would not do anything.

aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh, I see. ok, I could see something like that. But, excuse the stupid question, what would be the point of having to other variables included into the equation just to be able to use the WOT shifting. Wouldn't it be better to have it on all the time and when I push the clutch in it will then cut the power.

Sorry, I like the ideas of failsafes but just trying to understand how this would be a benefit over having it always on.

The point is to prevent it from false triggering when you are launching your car at WOT. If you are in WOT when you launch, the clutch engagement will be recognized as a shift, and it will cut the ignition just when you want to launch. So, that's bad. Adding a second input will prevent that false trigger from happening and ruining your launch.

If you don't plan on WOT launching, then you won't need to bother with the second input. Most of our testers haven't asked for it.

Ok, I see now. I would rather have mine setup for a 30 mph setting so that I am already out of the hole and moving probably already in 2nd gear before I it is activated.
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If you used the RPM one would it deactivate when the RPMs drop and you don't have the stick in gear yet? Otherwise I could see having it set for like 5500-6000 rpms this way it is activated by the time I go to shift. Either that or have it activate when I hit over 30 mph. I won't be WOT shifting from 1st to 2nd but 2nd to 3rd maybe and definately 3rd to 4th.

It would deactivate at whatever threshold you set the RPM to. I think in our first generation WOT Box we set it at 4000 RPM. But, that would be user customizable.

So, it would be you must be at > X % TPS and > X RPM for the system to be active. Otherwise, hitting the clutch would not do anything.

aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh, I see. ok, I could see something like that. But, excuse the stupid question, what would be the point of having to other variables included into the equation just to be able to use the WOT shifting. Wouldn't it be better to have it on all the time and when I push the clutch in it will then cut the power.

Sorry, I like the ideas of failsafes but just trying to understand how this would be a benefit over having it always on.

The point is to prevent it from false triggering when you are launching your car at WOT. If you are in WOT when you launch, the clutch engagement will be recognized as a shift, and it will cut the ignition just when you want to launch. So, that's bad. Adding a second input will prevent that false trigger from happening and ruining your launch.

If you don't plan on WOT launching, then you won't need to bother with the second input. Most of our testers haven't asked for it.

Ok, I see now. I would rather have mine setup for a 30 mph setting so that I am already out of the hole and moving probably already in 2nd gear before I it is activated.

That should be possible. We'll provide enough wire for the extra input and then enable and configure it later in software.
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Awesome, sounds good to me. Any possibility that using the right rear speed sensor for the TCS would cause too much of a drain on the line for the WOT Box to be hooked up to the same one?
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Awesome, sounds good to me. Any possibility that using the right rear speed sensor for the TCS would cause too much of a drain on the line for the WOT Box to be hooked up to the same one?

That's unlikely. I've designed our inputs to be very high impedance so that they don't load any of the signals they tap into. The input impedance will be 1 Mohm or higher.
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Awesome, thanks for all the information phrozen. great service right here.
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I would say do the wheel speed sensor also. Just to eliminate a 2 step from triggering a map input on the line.
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I would say do the wheel speed sensor also. Just to eliminate a 2 step from triggering a map input on the line.

Yeah, that is what I was thinking. Those who are not using a 2 step could probably go another route but yeah the speed sensor sounds like it is the best way to go for me.
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