Quote: Originally Posted by
vschaos 
crap had no idea....just bought new big tank, pressure switches, etc
To help others since I had to custom make all my crap fit/work from other vendor parts I will ask a few questions.
Pumps
150psi, 220psi, adjustable?
Can they run dry without damage?
Withstand straight methanol?
Tanks
What sizes?
Nozzles
outside, inside, or both types available?
Tubing, checkvalves, controllers also available?
I also have to ask this because I have had huge amounts of grief with my "kits" I have put together with a friend on mine. While we all know some people like to customize where they want there tanks, nozzles, controllers, etc...it would be really good if at least one setup is pictured. This would include all mounting positions for tanks, pressure switches, where to run lines, etc. I hated when vendors would show how it looks on another car and say "you get the point". No I do not get the point because there engine bay is nothing like the srt4 lol. They just sell a product, but dont offer really any help when it comes to where/how to install things because they dont want to it seems.
So I like contributing how I have made my parts I have bought work so would like to show you what myself and friend did on November 29th and 30th.
WaterMethPage
Quote: Originally Posted by
toomuchboost33 whats the price whats the kit come with and how many poeple do we need for the group buy
Here you go guys:
PT-Performance.com ORDER FROM THIS LINK, THANKS GUYS!!!
Well here it is guys the WI GB you have all been looking forward to. Now I am going to be explaining this in detail why you need to buy this kit and the differences from this to brand X.
Why do you need WI
http://www.labontemotorsports.com/ontrack/WM101.pdf
The kits we are offering is the Labonte Motor sports units. Why these kits, well let me list the reasons:
250 psi meth compatible pumps with recirculation (they will not "dead head" the pump out)
1 gallon tanks with low level indicators (option list)
50 + psi check valves (getting to why here in a bit)
HD round control solenoids (I will explain the differences down below)
LED "on" light comes with the kit
2 nozzles (you choose what ones you want)
All the parts to make the kit "complete" with install directions and.... 1 year warranty
Now the obvious differences:
BRAND X
150 psi pumps (one other has a 220 psi pump)
No control solenoid (you have to pay for this as an option)
No low level indicator (not all of them but most don't have this as an option)
20 to 30 psi check valves (vs 50 for our kits)
Nothing to stop the "leaking" of the line into the intake manifold or sucking of the fluid out of the line from the vacuum.
Now here is where I get ready to upset a few WI company's.
Our kit will have a 50 psi check valve that actually holds the line (to the control solenoid) pressure at 50 psi. The others have a check valve but its doing nothing other then keeping the vacuum from your manifold (nozzle placement determines if you have a vacuum here or not) from sucking the tank dry. The other companies have a 20 to 30 psi check valve but when the pump shuts off that doesn't mean you have this much pressure in the line, oh no, no, no, no, no! This just means that the pressure is held from the tank to pump at this pressure. The line pressure is at zero or vacuum.
Why does this make a difference? Well, when the system shuts off at your settings (lets say you have it set to turn on at 5 psi) all that 150 psi of line pressure and volume gets pushed into your intake manifold because the lack of a good control solenoid. This means that you are getting additional WI/meth into your motor when you are not under boosted conditions. Some companies will say that it really doesn't matter, and to that I will have to agree to some extent, but who wants a build up of fluid in there manifold just because brand x didn't want to install a quality control solenoid (they don't install them because the clog up, use a better unit and that will not happen is what I have to say about that).
Now the real problem with the check valve set at 20 + psi is when the pump turns on. Again we have the WI set to come on at 5 psi. The pump is off, the line is at zero pressure and possibly dry (I will get to that in a moment) due to a missing control solenoid or check valve in line. The time it takes your car to go from 5 psi to 20 psi (stock turbo) is less then 2 seconds. How long do you think its going to take that pump to turn on, fill the line and then build the pressure up to get the WI spraying at full tilt? Trust me, its more then 2 seconds. Not only that but the initial "on" of systems that have no control solenoid spatter the first few mili seconds before reaching full line pressure. This creates big droplets of water or your fluid mix to not atomize in the runner/intake, not good.
Now, how long do you think its going to take to get the unit with the control solenoid backed with 50 psi of pressure and full of fluid (none of it can leak out due to the control solenoid) to spray at full atomization? Right about when you hit 7 psi of boost pressure, more or less right when you need it. How long do you think its going to take to shut the system down? Well, when you hit 5 psi the control solenoid will shut all the pressure off going to the nozzle, thus ending the supply to it. Only the solenoid to the nozzle will leak into the motor after the system shuts down, much better then having the whole line back to the pump with brand x leaking into your motor.
Now take a break and sit back and think about what I have just said. If you have any questions about the first part, please post them up for me to help you with.
Next, brand x will tell you that the line is a sealed unit similar to taking a straw in your drink covering the end of it with your finger, and see the fluid stays in there... right? Well I am sorry to say that this is not the case. The line will empty into the motor if the pump is higher then the nozzle location, or even worse if the car is parked down hill. If you don't believe us I will post time video stills of a clear vinyl line with a nozzle on it leaking over 2 days and putting damn near a 1/3 cup of water into our test beaker. They will leak because the lines is at an angle, not straight up and down like the straw in your drink theory that brand x gave me as an example. You need a control valve on your WI system to keep the fluid where it belongs and some of the brand x guys sell this as an option, our kits come standard with them.
Whew, that is a lot to take in so please if you have any questions feel free to ask them.
Pump pressures:
Well this is kind of a no brainier but here goes. The higher the pressure you run the better atomization you will get. There you go, simple as simple gets. Nothing magic about this, 250 psi with our pumps... 150 with brand x (with one exception that I know of)
Meth safe pumps:
Just as it states, they are meth compatible with a 12 month warranty. This is standard equipment guys, not upgrades like you would have to pay for from brand x to get meth safe pumps.
Quality parts to compete the install:
You get 14 gauge wire for the pump positive
HD wire connectors
All stainless steel or nickel coated parts for the connection points
300 psi slip connect connectors
High burst pressure meth safe supply line for the whole system
LED for pump on and low reservoir indicators
Industry standard boost activated switch
Nothing but the best but offered at the price of most brand x starter kits.
OPTIONS GALORE!!!!
Flow control, warning systems, complete kits, drive and learn systems, shut down safety systems, progressive controllers, and on and on a on. You tell me what you want, I will get it for you, simple as that.
What we are offering with this GB.
Starter kit with pictured below and
v25 with progressive controller pictured below
Prices will be:
$289 shipped with the 4 quart tank for the non-progressive kit
$389 shipped with the 4 quart tank progressive kit
I will need to know what 2 nozzles you want with the kit and if you want the level indicator with your kit (add $30).
I have some of the option kits in stock but I need to know what you are looking for before I can say we have all options in stock, because we don't have all of the tanks and all of the nozzles sitting here.
Again, if you have any questions (any at all) please post them up in here. I looked for many months trying to find the perfect kit to back here at PTPerformance and we feel that this kit is the only choice for any performance application.
Thanks from John at PTPerformance.
Water Injection Group Buy!!!!
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