SST V2 on E85 Update - SRT Forums

enginjoe · 09-07-2008, 11:19 PM

Well, I made the switch to straight E85 using an SCT tuner from AGP. I have been getting tunes and logging data and sending it back to them for tuning adjustments. When we get close we'll finish with a dyno tune. Mods in sig.

Anyway, the tuner finally gave me the go ahead to up the boost. I got it up to 23 psi and took it to the track. It was a street night so there was no prep (even when there is prep here, traction is hard to come by). I ran a 13.1 @ 116.8 w/2.3 60ft and 6000+ft DA. Just to give you an idea how fast it was, full bolt on LS1s were running high 13s at around 106mph that night. I know the time sucks, but the mph is almost 7 more than my previous best on 91. Turbo has more in it and I'm not quite out of fuel yet, but I'm waiting for the bottleneck fix and fuel pump rewire to give me some more margin. The tune is a bit rich down low and lean up top for those runs. I'm figuring I can get to 120mph with enough fuel and good track conditions. Anyway, the car is a beast from a roll.

**supermech21** · 09-08-2008, 05:55 AM

120 traps on a sst is impressive....what did you need to run e 85? Just a retune?

enginjoe · 09-08-2008, 08:36 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by supermech21

120 traps on a sst is impressive....what did you need to run e 85? Just a retune?

I needed more fuel and a tune. I was running a returnline, 255 and 650s with a mapclamp and it was getting close to being out of fuel on lower boost, so I went with 750s. I'm going to get the bottleneck fix, queasy and fuel pump rewire to give me a little more room. It seems like fuel supply is dropping off in the higher rpms.

**supermech21** · 09-08-2008, 11:24 AM

wow, so nothing else "special" to run e85....hrmmm think i may need to look into this stuff

**Mana4real** · 09-08-2008, 12:08 PM

I thought running E85 would slowly dry out all the fuel seals and then you would create leaks in the fuel system... To much alcohol content for a non flex fuel vehicle?

mole' · 09-08-2008, 02:01 PM

hmmmmmmmmmm

sounds good man

**supermech21** · 09-08-2008, 02:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Mana4real

I thought running E85 would slowly dry out all the fuel seals and then you would create leaks in the fuel system... To much alcohol content for a non flex fuel vehicle?

thats the type of things i was curious about

Freaky · 09-08-2008, 02:20 PM

what is e85 ?

**Mana4real** · 09-08-2008, 05:24 PM

E85 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Freaky · 09-08-2008, 06:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Mana4real

E85 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so where are they selling it ? i haven't seen any .

jasonparson · 09-08-2008, 09:58 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Freaky

so where are they selling it ? i haven't seen any .

Certain areas and certain pump. When I left houston 2 years ago they were just putting them in. I havent seen any in NW Florida

enginjoe · 09-09-2008, 12:21 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Mana4real

I thought running E85 would slowly dry out all the fuel seals and then you would create leaks in the fuel system... To much alcohol content for a non flex fuel vehicle?

Straight alcohol is what does that^^^. E85 has gasoline which provides a protective lubrication for seals. All our vehicles run on ethanol (10%) in the winter out here for pollution reasons. You know what the difference between an E85 vehicle and a regular one is? One can sense the ethanol and adjust how much fuel it delivers and the other can't. On older vehicles, it is a more of a problem. This is mainly from the E85 cleaning all the gunk out of the fuel system and plugging up the filter or injectors or pump. There could be other issues that pop up depending on the vehicle model, but from my research, I think the SRT-4 should do fine. If it doesn't, there isn't anything I can't fix or figure out. This isn't rocket science, believe me, I know...

Savior1974 · 09-09-2008, 09:57 PM

Main things you need to run e85: bigger injectors, fuel pump, and tune...

ptperformance · 09-18-2008, 01:11 PM

Any updates on this? I suspect that we should see some record numbers running the E85 on the SST.

enginjoe · 09-18-2008, 11:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ptperformance

Any updates on this? I suspect that we should see some record numbers running the E85 on the SST.

Sorry I've been out of town since that last time at the track. I'm hoping to hit the track the 3rd of October in Pheonix where the prep is better. Also, I'm going to put the traction bars back on and the fuel system mods (fuel pump rewire and bottleneck fix). I'm thinking 120mph is possible with this setup in some cool weather.

09-07-2008, 11:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
enginjoe SRTforums Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Member Number: 3797 Location: Tucson Posts: 2,509	SST V2 on E85 Update Well, I made the switch to straight E85 using an SCT tuner from AGP. I have been getting tunes and logging data and sending it back to them for tuning adjustments. When we get close we'll finish with a dyno tune. Mods in sig. Anyway, the tuner finally gave me the go ahead to up the boost. I got it up to 23 psi and took it to the track. It was a street night so there was no prep (even when there is prep here, traction is hard to come by). I ran a 13.1 @ 116.8 w/2.3 60ft and 6000+ft DA. Just to give you an idea how fast it was, full bolt on LS1s were running high 13s at around 106mph that night. I know the time sucks, but the mph is almost 7 more than my previous best on 91. Turbo has more in it and I'm not quite out of fuel yet, but I'm waiting for the bottleneck fix and fuel pump rewire to give me some more margin. The tune is a bit rich down low and lean up top for those runs. I'm figuring I can get to 120mph with enough fuel and good track conditions. Anyway, the car is a beast from a roll. __________________ 2003 SRT-4 Silver, GT3076R by AGP, Profec B Spec II, Bwoody mm and tm, ED Super Beast, JMB 3" intake, Walbro 255, AGP return line, Bottleneck fix, Queasy, 55mm TB, AEM UEGO, 3" DP w/modded Mopar exhaust, Maddog STS, Act six puck, KW variant 2s, 235/60r15s on Rotas up front, AGP 1000s, DCR oil mod - SCT tune by AGP on E85!!! 2002 Camaro SS M6, Front mount Turbo kit coming, Forged motor waiting for heads.

09-08-2008, 05:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
supermech21 Premium Member (Lifetime) Join Date: Jun 2006 Member Number: 42969 Location: Norf Carolina Posts: 7,892	120 traps on a sst is impressive....what did you need to run e 85? Just a retune? __________________ SRTforums, do as i say not say as i do.

09-08-2008, 11:24 AM	#4 (permalink)
supermech21 Premium Member (Lifetime) Join Date: Jun 2006 Member Number: 42969 Location: Norf Carolina Posts: 7,892	wow, so nothing else "special" to run e85....hrmmm think i may need to look into this stuff __________________ SRTforums, do as i say not say as i do.

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Mana4real Premium Member (Lifetime) Join Date: Mar 2005 Member Number: 25021 Location: San Ramon, Ca. Posts: 5,920	I thought running E85 would slowly dry out all the fuel seals and then you would create leaks in the fuel system... To much alcohol content for a non flex fuel vehicle? __________________ -Matt- -SCT Tuned- By Yours Truely

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mole' Supporting Vendor (Gold) Join Date: Sep 2004 Member Number: 17477 Location: San diego 858 Posts: 42,133	hmmmmmmmmmm sounds good man __________________ To make a purchase please go to www.pt-performance.com Shop hours: 10am to 7pm Mon-Sat Shop numbers: 253-277-3843 253-653-3843 *For SoCal guys only! Now offering JuanDee-M* Specials! PTP Built THANKS John!!! http://www.pt-performance.com AGP Powered AGP DBB Zeta 3.0** THANKS Ben!!! http://www.agpturbo.com

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09-08-2008, 08:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
enginjoe SRTforums Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Member Number: 3797 Location: Tucson Posts: 2,509	Quote: Originally Posted by supermech21 120 traps on a sst is impressive....what did you need to run e 85? Just a retune? I needed more fuel and a tune. I was running a returnline, 255 and 650s with a mapclamp and it was getting close to being out of fuel on lower boost, so I went with 750s. I'm going to get the bottleneck fix, queasy and fuel pump rewire to give me a little more room. It seems like fuel supply is dropping off in the higher rpms.

09-08-2008, 02:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
supermech21 Premium Member (Lifetime) Join Date: Jun 2006 Member Number: 42969 Location: Norf Carolina Posts: 7,892	Quote: Originally Posted by Mana4real I thought running E85 would slowly dry out all the fuel seals and then you would create leaks in the fuel system... To much alcohol content for a non flex fuel vehicle? thats the type of things i was curious about __________________ SRTforums, do as i say not say as i do.

09-08-2008, 02:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
Freaky User Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Member Number: 47525 Location: va Posts: 1,498	what is e85 ?

09-08-2008, 05:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mana4real Premium Member (Lifetime) Join Date: Mar 2005 Member Number: 25021 Location: San Ramon, Ca. Posts: 5,920	E85 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ -Matt- -SCT Tuned- By Yours Truely

09-08-2008, 06:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
Freaky User Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Member Number: 47525 Location: va Posts: 1,498	Quote: Originally Posted by Mana4real E85 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia so where are they selling it ? i haven't seen any .

09-08-2008, 09:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
jasonparson SRTforums Member Join Date: May 2008 Member Number: 63747 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 493	Quote: Originally Posted by Freaky so where are they selling it ? i haven't seen any . Certain areas and certain pump. When I left houston 2 years ago they were just putting them in. I havent seen any in NW Florida

09-09-2008, 12:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
enginjoe SRTforums Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Member Number: 3797 Location: Tucson Posts: 2,509	Quote: Originally Posted by Mana4real I thought running E85 would slowly dry out all the fuel seals and then you would create leaks in the fuel system... To much alcohol content for a non flex fuel vehicle? Straight alcohol is what does that^^^. E85 has gasoline which provides a protective lubrication for seals. All our vehicles run on ethanol (10%) in the winter out here for pollution reasons. You know what the difference between an E85 vehicle and a regular one is? One can sense the ethanol and adjust how much fuel it delivers and the other can't. On older vehicles, it is a more of a problem. This is mainly from the E85 cleaning all the gunk out of the fuel system and plugging up the filter or injectors or pump. There could be other issues that pop up depending on the vehicle model, but from my research, I think the SRT-4 should do fine. If it doesn't, there isn't anything I can't fix or figure out. This isn't rocket science, believe me, I know...

09-09-2008, 09:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
Savior1974 User Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Member Number: 35674 Location: E-Celebrity Posts: 8,003	Main things you need to run e85: bigger injectors, fuel pump, and tune...

09-18-2008, 01:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
ptperformance Supporting Vendor (Gold) Join Date: Mar 2005 Member Number: 25514 Location: washington Posts: 31,778	Any updates on this? I suspect that we should see some record numbers running the E85 on the SST. __________________ To make a purchase please go to www.pt-performance.com Shop hours: 10am to 7pm Mon-Sat Shop numbers: 253-277-3843 253-653-3843 Home of the DSP Tuned 657 WHP SRT4 Neon, 593 WHP SRT4 Caliber and the fastest stock turbo DSP tuned SRT4 DSP or Trinity tunes send your request to tunes@pt-performance.com For all other questions send them to ptperformance@comcast.net "We build street cars you drive at the track, not race cars you drive on the street"

09-18-2008, 11:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
enginjoe SRTforums Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Member Number: 3797 Location: Tucson Posts: 2,509	Quote: Originally Posted by ptperformance Any updates on this? I suspect that we should see some record numbers running the E85 on the SST. Sorry I've been out of town since that last time at the track. I'm hoping to hit the track the 3rd of October in Pheonix where the prep is better. Also, I'm going to put the traction bars back on and the fuel system mods (fuel pump rewire and bottleneck fix). I'm thinking 120mph is possible with this setup in some cool weather.

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