Hands down for the money MaxxFab catback or I think it is NeedsWings DP w/ electronic dump valve. Whoever has the DP with elec dump valve think it is needswings.
The MaxxFab looks really nice my friend has the side exit with polished tip. I bought the MaxxFab 3" o2 housing, Catless DP necked down to 2.5 inches and long enough to cut out and eliminate the 2.25" bottle neck on the mopar performance. I opted for the extra o2 bung because I will definately be using that. Even if you dont plan on getting a Wideband o2 its probably worth it just in case to have the extra bung.
And if you do the MaxxFab side exit you can either get inserts to fill the little half holes in the bumper or it looks a lot better to "ROLL" the bumper what it does is the plastic of the bumper between the 2 holes gets bent up. Looks HOT especially if you have aftermarket sway bar
Nah. Most of the people that really care about that stuff will know to go to the Braking/Suspensions forum. I think, people that ignore the brakes/suspension, and just concentrate on the driveline, will end up with a wrecked car and/or dead, so I agree it should be high on the list. Right after driving school.
Just read this response to someone asking why there isnt a section about suspension/brakes on this post and think it is next to reDICKulous to say what this guy said. I definately think that if you have little no plans of tracking your car any suspension mods are mostly for looks and will more than likely get you hurt than save your life. REGARDLESS of what other people will say in response to this. If you using your stock suspension to its max then you are driving to fast/hard for even a performance set up while your on the street. No amount of baddass suspension work is going to make you SEE something that is going to kill you when you are driving 8/10ths ability or more. AKA water puddle in on off ramp, retarted driver in the other lane pulling in front of you, car that turns without looking.
On the brakes part I used to race Karts and SoloX and brakes are somewhat an overated ROOKY thing. My step dad most likely has the FASTEST new body MR2 in all of SOLOX almost nothing is stock: fully built motor, $2k dampers, no windshield, roll cage, its sick but STOCK BRAKES nappa pads... You may ask yourself why??? well because nappa sells a pad that is as good as EAGLE HPs and until that car sees the BIG TRACKS stock brakes are MORE than adequete.
Im not saying that NO ONE should upgrade their brakes I am saying that they just arent as important as people claim. I have upgraded the brakes on my race car but that is because it makes over 4x the power of the original motor and was never designed to be good at braking in the first place.
So in the interest of BASIC UPGRADES unless your planning on running this thing out at laguna Save your money for GAS it will give you a lot more pleasure than HEY MAN CHECK OUT MY BREAKS my car is still slow but DUDE LOOK AT THE BRAKES
Did I mention the majority of people who upgrade their brakes have SHOW CARS.
I know this will cause a lot of contreversy especially from the people who dont know what they are talking about. But face it 90% of drivers dont have the SKILL + GUTS to run 10/10ths ability gas and brake the ones who do probably would agree with me. That most people 90+% dont need better brakes
AND IF YOU WANT BETTER SUSPENSION BRAKES FOR CHEAP... Learn how to use what you got IF YOU HIT THE BRAKES HARDER you will brake harder... I never knew how well one of my cars could brake on the track until I had an instructor take me in MY own car. I felt sick after the ride. GO TO SCHOOOL and you will learn why brakes are overated for most of you. For suspension... Definately helps with tracks and more importantely on our cars it will get rid of certain QUIRCKS that may make it unconfrontable for you to push the car that far.
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Just read this response to someone asking why there isnt a section about suspension/brakes on this post and think it is next to reDICKulous to say what this guy said. I definately think that if you have little no plans of tracking your car any suspension mods are mostly for looks and will more than likely get you hurt than save your life. REGARDLESS of what other people will say in response to this. If you using your stock suspension to its max then you are driving to fast/hard for even a performance set up while your on the street. No amount of baddass suspension work is going to make you SEE something that is going to kill you when you are driving 8/10ths ability or more. AKA water puddle in on off ramp, retarted driver in the other lane pulling in front of you, car that turns without looking.
On the brakes part I used to race Karts and SoloX and brakes are somewhat an overated ROOKY thing. My step dad most likely has the FASTEST new body MR2 in all of SOLOX almost nothing is stock: fully built motor, $2k dampers, no windshield, roll cage, its sick but STOCK BRAKES nappa pads... You may ask yourself why??? well because nappa sells a pad that is as good as EAGLE HPs and until that car sees the BIG TRACKS stock brakes are MORE than adequete.
Im not saying that NO ONE should upgrade their brakes I am saying that they just arent as important as people claim. I have upgraded the brakes on my race car but that is because it makes over 4x the power of the original motor and was never designed to be good at braking in the first place.
So in the interest of BASIC UPGRADES unless your planning on running this thing out at laguna Save your money for GAS it will give you a lot more pleasure than HEY MAN CHECK OUT MY BREAKS my car is still slow but DUDE LOOK AT THE BRAKES
Did I mention the majority of people who upgrade their brakes have SHOW CARS.
I know this will cause a lot of contreversy especially from the people who dont know what they are talking about. But face it 90% of drivers dont have the SKILL + GUTS to run 10/10ths ability gas and brake the ones who do probably would agree with me. That most people 90+% dont need better brakes
AND IF YOU WANT BETTER SUSPENSION BRAKES FOR CHEAP... Learn how to use what you got IF YOU HIT THE BRAKES HARDER you will brake harder... I never knew how well one of my cars could brake on the track until I had an instructor take me in MY own car. I felt sick after the ride. GO TO SCHOOOL and you will learn why brakes are overated for most of you. For suspension... Definately helps with tracks and more importantely on our cars it will get rid of certain QUIRCKS that may make it unconfrontable for you to push the car that far.
You said what I wrote was "reDICKulous".
Then you back it up with everything you wrote.
I was being sarcastic Quote:Originally Posted by BigMacSince this is titled "SRT-4 Basic Upgrade Path", it needs sections on handling and braking too.
Nah. Most of the people that really care about that stuff will know to go to the Braking/Suspensions forum. I think, people that ignore the brakes/suspension, and just concentrate on the driveline, will end up with a wrecked car and/or dead, so I agree it should be high on the list. Right after driving school.
You're right! This is the wrong forum to go into an indepth debate about this subject, my post was merely a poke at 90% of the people that are on this forum that ignore the possible performance gains. Some smarten up and make it to Suspension/Brakes or Autocross/Road Racing and start asking the newbie questions even though they have been around the forum for years.
BTW- Stock brakes are only decent for apprx. 1 1/2 laps before 8/10s have you with 4 off. Unless you are auto-xing.
Uncomfortable? Yah, that's why people upgrade their suspension. How about lower CG and/or geometry etc..njshift said it best>Clicky
If you want to keep your car under warranty I would not recommend tuning at all. You can contract your dealer and find out what mods are acceptable, however even then risk the change of coverage. The best policy to assume is that if the car isn’t stock, it’s not covered. A simple Blow Off Valve can void your entire engine at some dealers.
i heard that as long as you stick with mopar parts, it is okay and it does not void your warrany. i also heard that if the part which you modded has nothing to do with your problem, then that is okay as well
as far as boost levels u must be reffering to something else i know the 03 had like 13.5 or 14 psi on stock pcm. my 05 holds 14+.. just a note if u dont want to spike so much pull out ur drop in filter.. when i had the drop in filter in i could not spin the tires in 2nd . with the stock filter back in i shread em, and spin in third.. any advice on last note would be great..
05 stone white srt-4
stock turbo
Mopar Stage One
Granatelli spark plug wires
AGP WGA set to 15psi
turbosmart boost tee MBC (17psi)
Turbo XS-RFL BOV
AEM SRI
AGP I/C UPP
MPx underdrive pulley
Perrin 3" Turboback exhaust
MPx 3" O2 Housing
AGP motor mounts
Maddog STS
WeaponR oil catch can
i heard that as long as you stick with mopar parts, it is okay and it does not void your warrany. i also heard that if the part which you modded has nothing to do with your problem, then that is okay as well
Can anyone verify this? I had heard the same thing.
Also, when I was talking to the salesman last week when I bought my car he was telling me that they shouldn't void your warranty for MOPAR upgrades. He seemed to know his stuff and claimed 2-3 of his friends have SRT4's and have Stage2 installed. Maybe I just found a cool dealership?
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Can anyone verify this? I had heard the same thing.
Also, when I was talking to the salesman last week when I bought my car he was telling me that they shouldn't void your warranty for MOPAR upgrades. He seemed to know his stuff and claimed 2-3 of his friends have SRT4's and have Stage2 installed. Maybe I just found a cool dealership?
USC,
While a dealer may chose to deny you warranty coverage on individual, suspect repairs, only the factory has the ability to officially restrict a warranty. During the '90s, I spent a number of years as a District Service Manager and Technical Advisor in the Southeast US. I can only remember about 3 or 4 instances during that time that I truly restricted/voided a warranty and even then it was generally only for the powertrain and was well-deserved (flooded vehicles ETC.).
If the dealer suspects that the broken parts are a direct result of misuse, lack of maintenance, or in this case modifications then warranty can be denied for that particular repair. The better service managers would run this by their DM first. In many cases, the dealers are more lenient with mods than the Warranty Auditor would approve of - particularly when you bought it there and are a "good customer." Warantees are designed for normal original parts and normal usage. I actually had a joker in Columbus Georgia back in '98 that was angry because I wouldn't authorize a warranty engine replacement for his Neon R/T that he'd been racing and was "down on power." The car arrived at the dealer on a trailer, complete with cage and contingency decals...
The reality is, if you put a stage three on the car and break your CV joints it's not warrantable. BUT - if you put a stage three on the car and your door handle breaks, no problem, it's covered. Run insane boost levels and blow a head gasket = your dime. That's the black and white of it.
The salesman "big shock" was wrong in stating that the warranty would be honored in full just because the performance add-ons were from Mopar. Mopar Performance parts themselves don't even carry a warranty and are sold as-is. In the end, it's up to the discretion of the service department and/or their District Manager. If you haven't beaten the car to hell and back, and if the damage wasn't directly attributed to increased power output/mods then you're OK.
For reference, here's the Mopar Performance Parts warranty verbatim:
>NO PARTS WARRANTY
Mopar Performance parts are sold "as is" unless otherwise noted. This means that parts sold by Mopar Performance carry no warranty whatsoever. Implied warranties, such as warranties of merchantability, are excluded. (An implied warranty of merchantability means that the part is reasonably fit for the general purpose for which is was sold). The entire risk as to quality and performance of such parts is with the buyer. Should such parts prove defective following their purchase, the buyer and not the manufacturer, distributor or retailer, assumes the entire cost of all necessary servicing or repair. Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep® vehicle and parts warranties are voided if the vehicle or parts are used for competition. The addition of performance parts does not by itself void a vehicle's warranty. However, added performance parts (parts not originally supplied on the vehicle from the factory) are not covered by the vehicle's warranty, and any failure that they may cause is also not covered by the vehicle's warranty.<
Thank You very much for clearing that up! I had done some searches and could not find what I was looking for. The trend on the forums seems to be to just tell everyone to kiss their warranties good bye. But it seems there is room to have mods and still keep essentially most of your warranty.
Thank You very much for clearing that up! I had done some searches and could not find what I was looking for. The trend on the forums seems to be to just tell everyone to kiss their warranties good bye. But it seems there is room to have mods and still keep essentially most of your warranty.
You're welcome. Just for the record, I've got an '05 ACR and it's not going to stay stock for long either. The downside for me is that I've REALLY got to be careful regarding warranty coverage. I've got a lot of dealers in the Southeast and Midwest that I'm still on very good terms with and who would go out of their way to help me if I needed it. The problem is that if something questionable were covered under warranty on my OWN car, I could potentially be fired for ethics issues (being corporate Chrysler and all)... Still, I figure that I can get the parts at cost and already know how to do the work, so worst case scenario still isn't all that bad.
Good luck with the car, and enjoy the heck out if it. I'm still convinced that there's nothing out there that's more fun for the $$$ (with four wheels anyway).
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You said what I wrote was "reDICKulous". 
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Originally Posted by BigMac
Since this is titled "SRT-4 Basic Upgrade Path", it needs sections on handling and braking too. 
that's why people upgrade their suspension. How about lower CG and/or geometry etc..njshift said it best>
was wrong in stating that the warranty would be honored in full just because the performance add-ons were from Mopar. Mopar Performance parts themselves don't even carry a warranty and are sold as-is. In the end, it's up to the discretion of the service department and/or their District Manager. If you haven't beaten the car to hell and back, and if the damage wasn't directly attributed to increased power output/mods then you're OK.
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