(Q/A thread) SRT-4 Performance Modifications and Upgrade Paths - Page 10 - SRT Forums

tunerlover3 · 01-31-2013, 01:28 PM

No.....they dont.

NorthNJSRT4 · 01-31-2013, 02:27 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by jimbean5006

now forgive me if im not in on the lingo. BWS, simply a built tdo4 with bigger compressor wheels? S3 as in a mopar stage 3?

Yes, a BWS is a stock frame turbo, usually ported to cram in a 15G, 16G or 18G wheel.

S3, yes, Mopar Stage 3. It's a TD05 turbo with it's own exhaust manifold. You'd just need some larger injectors, 3BAR sensors and a custom tune to run it. They're getting harder to come by now and usually not cheap but it's fairly painless to install.

Quote: Originally Posted by jimbean5006

ive also been eyeballing a precision 5831 but im unsure those bolt to the stock manifold?

Nothing will bolt to a stock exhaust manifold except a stock frame turbo. Using any aftermarket turbo will require a manifold, O2 housing, hard pipes, blow off valve, external wastegate, injectors, custom tune, upgraded clutch and a bunch of other parts just to make it work. It's not simple and cheap to go big turbo.

jimbean5006 · 01-31-2013, 03:47 PM

well bnr supercars is 20 minutes from my house and this guy can build any turbo out there and is very good at it. he built my friends t25 for his sr20det, so im just going to get him to build me a bws of my own and i ordered an LC1 wideband today also. so im heading in the right direction i guess. my only issue is raising boost with the dsp or mbc? iether i have a boost leak or the dsp boost control sucks

tunerlover3 · 01-31-2013, 04:49 PM

I wouldnt get a BWS unless it was a FM E1. Most BWS's are not reliable and have a short life.

Raise boost with the DSP. PCM control boost doesnt "suck". Do a boost leak test.

jimbean5006 · 01-31-2013, 05:08 PM

its a good posibility i have a leak. now that i think about it im not spiking as much and a couple of pounds short of what i hold. 4th and 5th seem about normal although. i see the FM E1 bolts to the stock manifold. whats the price on those run?

tunerlover3 · 01-31-2013, 06:16 PM

They dont make them anymore. So try to find one used.

jimbean5006 · 01-31-2013, 06:22 PM

well i can get a 2 year warranty from BNR Supercars and he backs his shit up to the fullest. uses billet wheels and grade A parts, so im not worried about reliability. BNR BWS it is then

NorthNJSRT4 · 02-02-2013, 07:34 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by jimbean5006

its a good posibility i have a leak. now that i think about it im not spiking as much and a couple of pounds short of what i hold. 4th and 5th seem about normal although. i see the FM E1 bolts to the stock manifold. whats the price on those run?

My advice to you is to go back over the 1st section of the guide and actually complete the steps. If you don't know if you have a boost leak or not and boost isn't controllable via the DSP you need to get those issues and, likely, all the other issues with the car resolved first before even thinking about putting money into upgrades. The car is only going to be as reliable as you know for a fact that it is, guessing leads to VERY expensive repairs and a lot of disappointment.

As for whoever BNR Supercars is, make sure you get that warranty in writing. Many very talented people have tried to make BWS upgrades for this platform over the years and only FM has proven without question to make a 100% reliable one.

zman17 · 02-04-2013, 04:10 PM

As a general question towards big turbo set ups. Running boost box is it beneficial to run a lower psi spring in the external wastegate?

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tunerlover3 · 02-04-2013, 05:20 PM

Yes because then you can run lower boost in 1st and 2nd to have traction.

zman17 · 02-04-2013, 05:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by tunerlover3

Yes because then you can run lower boost in 1st and 2nd to have traction.

Twelve psi to high or would eight be better or wouldn't matter to much?

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tunerlover3 · 02-04-2013, 05:25 PM

I would run the 8. That way if you have traction in lower gears running just 8 PSI you can add more. If you install the 12 and dont get traction, you wouldnt be able to go any lower then 12.

zman17 · 02-04-2013, 07:06 PM

Thanks man.

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NorthNJSRT4 · 02-04-2013, 07:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by tunerlover3

I would run the 8. That way if you have traction in lower gears running just 8 PSI you can add more. If you install the 12 and dont get traction, you wouldnt be able to go any lower then 12.

NorthNJSRT4 endorses this answer and has nothing to add.

He also likes that Google Ad Words stopped putting a link in his sig for "Meth Addict".

Alguarete20 · 02-04-2013, 07:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by NorthNJSRT4

NorthNJSRT4 endorses this answer and has nothing to add.

He also likes that Google Ad Words stopped putting a link in his sig for "Meth Addict".

Lol..

01-31-2013, 01:28 PM	#136 (permalink)
tunerlover3 Fresh Meat Moderator Join Date: Dec 2009 Member Number: 76568 Location: Chicago Posts: 16,617	No.....they dont. __________________ Diablo CMR tuner ~Dan~ 2004 Black Neon SRT4: E85 stock turbo SOLD 310HP 436TQ 2004 Eblue Neon SRT4: E85 5558 XXXHP XXXTQ

01-31-2013, 02:27 PM	#137 (permalink)
NorthNJSRT4 Merderates da formz Join Date: Sep 2007 Member Number: 57126 Location: Hotlanta Posts: 13,622	Quote: Originally Posted by jimbean5006 now forgive me if im not in on the lingo. BWS, simply a built tdo4 with bigger compressor wheels? S3 as in a mopar stage 3? Yes, a BWS is a stock frame turbo, usually ported to cram in a 15G, 16G or 18G wheel. S3, yes, Mopar Stage 3. It's a TD05 turbo with it's own exhaust manifold. You'd just need some larger injectors, 3BAR sensors and a custom tune to run it. They're getting harder to come by now and usually not cheap but it's fairly painless to install. Quote: Originally Posted by jimbean5006 ive also been eyeballing a precision 5831 but im unsure those bolt to the stock manifold? Nothing will bolt to a stock exhaust manifold except a stock frame turbo. Using any aftermarket turbo will require a manifold, O2 housing, hard pipes, blow off valve, external wastegate, injectors, custom tune, upgraded clutch and a bunch of other parts just to make it work. It's not simple and cheap to go big turbo. __________________ Technical Moderator and Meth Addict Performance Modifications and Upgrade Paths Vacuum Line Setups All DSport\DSP Stickies Are Here What Parameters to Datalog (DSP) How-To: Rewire Fuel Pump How-To: Non-Fouler Mod SRT-4 / Neon Service Manuals Last edited by NorthNJSRT4; 01-31-2013 at 02:31 PM.

01-31-2013, 04:49 PM	#139 (permalink)
tunerlover3 Fresh Meat Moderator Join Date: Dec 2009 Member Number: 76568 Location: Chicago Posts: 16,617	I wouldnt get a BWS unless it was a FM E1. Most BWS's are not reliable and have a short life. Raise boost with the DSP. PCM control boost doesnt "suck". Do a boost leak test. __________________ Diablo CMR tuner ~Dan~ 2004 Black Neon SRT4: E85 stock turbo SOLD 310HP 436TQ 2004 Eblue Neon SRT4: E85 5558 XXXHP XXXTQ

01-31-2013, 06:16 PM	#141 (permalink)
tunerlover3 Fresh Meat Moderator Join Date: Dec 2009 Member Number: 76568 Location: Chicago Posts: 16,617	They dont make them anymore. So try to find one used. __________________ Diablo CMR tuner ~Dan~ 2004 Black Neon SRT4: E85 stock turbo SOLD 310HP 436TQ 2004 Eblue Neon SRT4: E85 5558 XXXHP XXXTQ

02-02-2013, 07:34 AM	#143 (permalink)
NorthNJSRT4 Merderates da formz Join Date: Sep 2007 Member Number: 57126 Location: Hotlanta Posts: 13,622	Quote: Originally Posted by jimbean5006 its a good posibility i have a leak. now that i think about it im not spiking as much and a couple of pounds short of what i hold. 4th and 5th seem about normal although. i see the FM E1 bolts to the stock manifold. whats the price on those run? My advice to you is to go back over the 1st section of the guide and actually complete the steps. If you don't know if you have a boost leak or not and boost isn't controllable via the DSP you need to get those issues and, likely, all the other issues with the car resolved first before even thinking about putting money into upgrades. The car is only going to be as reliable as you know for a fact that it is, guessing leads to VERY expensive repairs and a lot of disappointment. As for whoever BNR Supercars is, make sure you get that warranty in writing. Many very talented people have tried to make BWS upgrades for this platform over the years and only FM has proven without question to make a 100% reliable one. __________________ Technical Moderator and Meth Addict Performance Modifications and Upgrade Paths Vacuum Line Setups All DSport\DSP Stickies Are Here What Parameters to Datalog (DSP) How-To: Rewire Fuel Pump How-To: Non-Fouler Mod SRT-4 / Neon Service Manuals

01-31-2013, 03:47 PM	#138 (permalink)
jimbean5006 SRTforums Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Member Number: 92096 Location: alabama Posts: 91	well bnr supercars is 20 minutes from my house and this guy can build any turbo out there and is very good at it. he built my friends t25 for his sr20det, so im just going to get him to build me a bws of my own and i ordered an LC1 wideband today also. so im heading in the right direction i guess. my only issue is raising boost with the dsp or mbc? iether i have a boost leak or the dsp boost control sucks

01-31-2013, 05:08 PM	#140 (permalink)
jimbean5006 SRTforums Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Member Number: 92096 Location: alabama Posts: 91	its a good posibility i have a leak. now that i think about it im not spiking as much and a couple of pounds short of what i hold. 4th and 5th seem about normal although. i see the FM E1 bolts to the stock manifold. whats the price on those run?

01-31-2013, 06:22 PM	#142 (permalink)
jimbean5006 SRTforums Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Member Number: 92096 Location: alabama Posts: 91	well i can get a 2 year warranty from BNR Supercars and he backs his shit up to the fullest. uses billet wheels and grade A parts, so im not worried about reliability. BNR BWS it is then

02-04-2013, 04:10 PM	#144 (permalink)
zman17 SRTforums Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Member Number: 87469 Location: springfield Il Posts: 793	(Q/A thread) SRT-4 Performance Modifications and Upgrade Paths As a general question towards big turbo set ups. Running boost box is it beneficial to run a lower psi spring in the external wastegate? Sent from __________________ MODS: garret 60-1 trim kit Tial wastegate ATP o2 and manifold ,boost box,return line, AEM CAI, wally 255, innovative motor sports wideband, dusters injectors, Godspeed BFMIC, tuned by duster360 for gas and e-85

02-04-2013, 05:20 PM	#145 (permalink)
tunerlover3 Fresh Meat Moderator Join Date: Dec 2009 Member Number: 76568 Location: Chicago Posts: 16,617	Yes because then you can run lower boost in 1st and 2nd to have traction. __________________ Diablo CMR tuner ~Dan~ 2004 Black Neon SRT4: E85 stock turbo SOLD 310HP 436TQ 2004 Eblue Neon SRT4: E85 5558 XXXHP XXXTQ

02-04-2013, 05:22 PM	#146 (permalink)
zman17 SRTforums Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Member Number: 87469 Location: springfield Il Posts: 793	(Q/A thread) SRT-4 Performance Modifications and Upgrade Paths Quote: Originally Posted by tunerlover3 Yes because then you can run lower boost in 1st and 2nd to have traction. Twelve psi to high or would eight be better or wouldn't matter to much? Sent from __________________ MODS: garret 60-1 trim kit Tial wastegate ATP o2 and manifold ,boost box,return line, AEM CAI, wally 255, innovative motor sports wideband, dusters injectors, Godspeed BFMIC, tuned by duster360 for gas and e-85

02-04-2013, 05:25 PM	#147 (permalink)
tunerlover3 Fresh Meat Moderator Join Date: Dec 2009 Member Number: 76568 Location: Chicago Posts: 16,617	I would run the 8. That way if you have traction in lower gears running just 8 PSI you can add more. If you install the 12 and dont get traction, you wouldnt be able to go any lower then 12. __________________ Diablo CMR tuner ~Dan~ 2004 Black Neon SRT4: E85 stock turbo SOLD 310HP 436TQ 2004 Eblue Neon SRT4: E85 5558 XXXHP XXXTQ

02-04-2013, 07:06 PM	#148 (permalink)
zman17 SRTforums Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Member Number: 87469 Location: springfield Il Posts: 793	(Q/A thread) SRT-4 Performance Modifications and Upgrade Paths Thanks man. Sent from __________________ MODS: garret 60-1 trim kit Tial wastegate ATP o2 and manifold ,boost box,return line, AEM CAI, wally 255, innovative motor sports wideband, dusters injectors, Godspeed BFMIC, tuned by duster360 for gas and e-85

02-04-2013, 07:44 PM	#149 (permalink)
NorthNJSRT4 Merderates da formz Join Date: Sep 2007 Member Number: 57126 Location: Hotlanta Posts: 13,622	Quote: Originally Posted by tunerlover3 I would run the 8. That way if you have traction in lower gears running just 8 PSI you can add more. If you install the 12 and dont get traction, you wouldnt be able to go any lower then 12. NorthNJSRT4 endorses this answer and has nothing to add. He also likes that Google Ad Words stopped putting a link in his sig for "Meth Addict". __________________ Technical Moderator and Meth Addict Performance Modifications and Upgrade Paths Vacuum Line Setups All DSport\DSP Stickies Are Here What Parameters to Datalog (DSP) How-To: Rewire Fuel Pump How-To: Non-Fouler Mod SRT-4 / Neon Service Manuals Last edited by NorthNJSRT4; 02-04-2013 at 07:46 PM.

02-04-2013, 07:59 PM	#150 (permalink)
Alguarete20 SRTforums Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Member Number: 87378 Location: TX Posts: 234	Re: (Q/A thread) SRT-4 Performance Modifications and Upgrade Paths Quote: Originally Posted by NorthNJSRT4 NorthNJSRT4 endorses this answer and has nothing to add. He also likes that Google Ad Words stopped putting a link in his sig for "Meth Addict". Lol.. __________________ '04 Srt-4, stock turbo, act clutch, injen sri, maddog sts, dsp, torque mm's, bfmic, 3" exhaust with side exit, energy suspension bushing kit, rear koni adj. on eibach pro-kit, etc..

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