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Old 11-03-2009, 01:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just put my car away for the winter and i have a parts list i drew up for install next spring.Gotta few questions and also would like some opinions, critisizims, do/dont's whatever you have to offer.
First off the only thing i have on the car right now that matters performance wise is a 3" cat back duel tip w/ magnaflow muffler. Now my plans are as follows(some parts allready purchased)
-S2 w/ no toys
-3" catless downpipe
-s3k modified stocker w/ there "economy" ported and coated mani.
-aem wideband.(obviously)
^^that's about it^^
My only real concern is how well the modified turbo will run with the s2 settings? And how much load does the s2 ecu actually ask of the s2 injectors? Do you guys think a different tune will be required right off the bat? If so should I go dsp or sct?
This is all i can afford so telling me to buy a whole bunch of other stuff is not gonna help me. I just want the setup to run well not max it out...yet.
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I just put my car away for the winter and i have a parts list i drew up for install next spring.Gotta few questions and also would like some opinions, critisizims, do/dont's whatever you have to offer.
First off the only thing i have on the car right now that matters performance wise is a 3" cat back duel tip w/ magnaflow muffler. Now my plans are as follows(some parts allready purchased)
-S2 w/ no toys
-3" catless downpipe
-s3k modified stocker w/ there "economy" ported and coated mani.
-aem wideband.(obviously)
^^that's about it^^
My only real concern is how well the modified turbo will run with the s2 settings? And how much load does the s2 ecu actually ask of the s2 injectors? Do you guys think a different tune will be required right off the bat? If so should I go dsp or sct?
This is all i can afford so telling me to buy a whole bunch of other stuff is not gonna help me. I just want the setup to run well not max it out...yet.

-Replace S2 with DSP
-Make sure that exh manifold is ext gated

Staged ECUs are a thing of the past imo. You can dial in your tune and have your car running 100x better than a bolt on ECU can give you.
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-Replace S2 with DSP
-Make sure that exh manifold is ext gated

Staged ECUs are a thing of the past imo. You can dial in your tune and have your car running 100x better than a bolt on ECU can give you.

already bought the stage 2>>>was hoping i could get something to just tune the fuel if needed.
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already bought the stage 2>>>was hoping i could get something to just tune the fuel if needed.



I would personally try to sell it, keep the 3bars and injectors.

As far as I know it runs dog shit rich. So you should be able to play with the boost a bit.
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Sell the stage 2 on ebay. Youll get a very good amount on it.

Then buy DSP

Get someone to tune it.

Then youll be happy

and x2 on external gated
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Sell the stage 2 on ebay. Youll get a very good amount on it.

Then buy DSP

Get someone to tune it.

Then youll be happy

and x2 on external gated

if i go w/ external gate would i still be able to keep pcm control boost hooked up? I haven't had any good experiances takeing the car off pcm in the past. Never delt with an external gate and have no idea what to expect with it....This thread is gonna cost me money, i know it...lol
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if i go w/ external gate would i still be able to keep pcm control boost hooked up? I haven't had any good experiances takeing the car off pcm in the past. Never delt with an external gate and have no idea what to expect with it....This thread is gonna cost me money, i know it...lol

I've heard of PCM controlled boost on and ext wg but never seen it. I know it's hard to do and from what I've read isn't very reliable unless it's done correctly.
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I've heard of PCM controlled boost on and ext wg but never seen it. I know it's hard to do and from what I've read isn't very reliable unless it's done correctly.

I'm gonna stay internaly gated for now. Not messin with that right now.
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a 3" o2 housing would be a good idea with the 3"dp and cb...

and +3 on the dsp idea
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a 3" o2 housing would be a good idea with the 3"dp and cb...

and +3 on the dsp idea

good call on the 3" o2 housing. didn't even think of that. I will go with the dsp but i'm keeping the s2 computer simply because if i chose to detune my car it will still be stage 2.
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i got a new question...If i tune useing dsp will my computer still adjust the boost according to air temp?????
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I've heard of PCM controlled boost on and ext wg but never seen it. I know it's hard to do and from what I've read isn't very reliable unless it's done correctly.

I'm PCM controlled on a turbonetics evolution ext WG and I've had 0 problems.
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if i go w/ external gate would i still be able to keep pcm control boost hooked up? I haven't had any good experiances takeing the car off pcm in the past. Never delt with an external gate and have no idea what to expect with it....This thread is gonna cost me money, i know it...lol

I havent really heard of people staying PCM controlled boost while being external gated.

Well whenever you want to make your car faster, your gonna have to put a big hole in your wallet. LOL
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i got a new question...If i tune useing dsp will my computer still adjust the boost according to air temp?????

Buzzkill is PCM controlled with DSP and having some problems with it not re-adjusting itself like it should.

Either way, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say if you're going to spend $600 on the S3k plus the manifold, why the hell would you not go a little further and get it ext gated? Might as well just leave it stock turbo, because you'll end up pushing stock turbo numbers with that and pcm control (Just my 2 cents)
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Buzzkill is PCM controlled with DSP and having some problems with it not re-adjusting itself like it should.

Either way, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say if you're going to spend $600 on the S3k plus the manifold, why the hell would you not go a little further and get it ext gated? Might as well just leave it stock turbo, because you'll end up pushing stock turbo numbers with that and pcm control (Just my 2 cents)

Can you modify his Mani for him? (for a small fee of course) Yours looks pretty tits.
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