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Old 11-05-2009, 02:03 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sceanzo View Post
So I picked up a FM WGA lastnight.

I was originally OFF PCM controlled boost and on my AGP WGA with a MBC

So, my question is. Should I switch over to PCM controlled boost and ditch the MBC now that I have FM?

How do you switch between PCM Controlled Boost and OFF PCM Controlled Boost. Are you talking about just removing the vacuum lines? What exactly are you doing to be On or Off.
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Old 11-05-2009, 02:59 AM   #17 (permalink)
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How do you switch between PCM Controlled Boost and OFF PCM Controlled Boost. Are you talking about just removing the vacuum lines? What exactly are you doing to be On or Off.

there are 3 solenoids that your vac lines connect to causing you to be "on pcm controlled boost". When you take them off, you are running vac lines directly from turbo/wga/mbc etc
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Old 11-05-2009, 04:55 AM   #18 (permalink)
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x2 on that. forgot to mention that. an MBC and fm wga on pcm boost go hand and hand. its like breakfast with orange juice.

I prefer coffee over orange juice with my breakfast.
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there are 3 solenoids that your vac lines connect to causing you to be "on pcm controlled boost". When you take them off, you are running vac lines directly from turbo/wga/mbc etc

Thank you, that's what I figured. I didn't know if there was more to this.
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Old 11-05-2009, 11:31 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Whoa, So am I reading this correctly.

People are using a MBC with it ON pcm controlled?

I thought there was no need for a MBC or a bleed when running PCM control.
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Whoa, So am I reading this correctly.

People are using a MBC with it ON pcm controlled?

I thought there was no need for a MBC or a bleed when running PCM control.

If you want to run more than 14 psi that's where the MBC comes into play.

when on PCM boost controll the PCM will learn the WGA and adjust to fit factory parameters. The WGA on PCM will hold boost better but you won't get as big of a boost spike.

When I had my AGP on PCM control, I set it spike and hold @ 15 PSI, but some times it would spike lower. To run a 18 spike settle to @ 15, I would use a MBC.
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If you want to run more than 14 psi that's where the MBC comes into play.

when on PCM boost controll the PCM will learn the WGA and adjust to fit factory parameters. The WGA on PCM will hold boost better but you won't get as big of a boost spike.

When I had my AGP on PCM control, I set it spike and hold @ 15 PSI, but some times it would spike lower. To run a 18 spike settle to @ 15, I would use a MBC.

Well that would explain why I couldn't hold more then 14 at redline LOL.

So since it is on PCM control, What vac lines do I put it in? Because off PCM control I had it spliced between the turbo and WGA. but now those lines are going to the solenoids.
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Well that would explain why I couldn't hold more then 14 at redline LOL.

So since it is on PCM control, What vac lines do I put it in? Because off PCM control I had it spliced between the turbo and WGA. but now those lines are going to the solenoids.

Green line goes to turbo

Black line goes to back of WGA

If you want to add a MBC to PCM controlled boost, just "T" the black line
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this might be a stupid question, but whats the benefit of spiking high if it still going to drop down... i dont get it.
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this might be a stupid question, but whats the benefit of spiking high if it still going to drop down... i dont get it.


with that boost spike comes a torque spike. On time I dyno'd my car over boosted big time and made like 244whp but 330 torque at the wheels

Of course if I would not of fixed the overboost, I would of ended up burning my car to the ground.
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with that boost spike comes a torque spike. On time I dyno'd my car over boosted big time and made like 244whp but 330 torque at the wheels

Of course if I would not of fixed the overboost, I would of ended up burning my car to the ground.


cool, i see what u meaan now.....
i have stage to and try the boost controller thing and didnt like it at all, it was set to spike at 18psi but i felt the car weak as hell, so i just decited to leave as it was.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Drago View Post
cool, i see what u meaan now.....
i have stage to and try the boost controller thing and didnt like it at all, it was set to spike at 18psi but i felt the car weak as hell, so i just decited to leave as it was.

Got ya.

In my opinion Tee'ing a MBC is only advantagous if you have a "in-cabin" boost controller. If you have one that you need to pop the hood to adjust, then just run off of the green line going from the turbo to the WGA.

That's what I would do anyways.
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Green line goes to turbo

Black line goes to back of WGA

If you want to add a MBC to PCM controlled boost, just "T" the black line

Hmm. Sorry I still don't see how this would work.

Wastegate----------------solenoid

I understand "T" into the line. But the boost controller has two nipples on it. One of the bottom one on the side.

Hallman HBC for those wondering.
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Hmm. Sorry I still don't see how this would work.

Wastegate----------------solenoid

I understand "T" into the line. But the boost controller has two nipples on it. One of the bottom one on the side.

Hallman HBC for those wondering.

OH ok.

Sorry. I was discribing how I had my Needs wings incabin connected. It only used one line.

Ok so A hallman. I might be wrong but try

- Tee'ing into the black line
- from the black line to the MBC input side
- from the output of the MBC to the waste gate

- May not be exactly right, but I think I'm close.
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Hmm. Sorry I still don't see how this would work.

Wastegate----------------solenoid

I understand "T" into the line. But the boost controller has two nipples on it. One of the bottom one on the side.

Hallman HBC for those wondering.

yeah...one connects to your wga and the other to your turbo. Its direct connect.
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