Guy's I guess I'm not stating my point correctly. All I'm saying and smacking on is that I wished the Shelby's showed up for Bracket Racing where the field would be level. Car to car and driver skill to driver skill. It would have been fun.
I've been told since I got home that Warren Stramer and Rob Pachner both tried to race in the slick bracket race and were turned away in the staging lanes. I don't know what reason was given, nor any more info than that.
Their cars were both in the 10's and were slick cars with automatics. Warren is a very seasoned bracket racer and would have provided some good competition.
As far as the track, if they were organizing things, they did a very poor job. If the track had the schedule, and knew what was next, they should have said during Q8 qualifying (for example) "test & tune to staging lanes 4 & 5" or whatever. Same thing, when the test runs time was nearly up, call for the next round of quals or elims to the staging lanes. That way there are always cars waiting for runs and little unused track time.
But the biggest problem with the track all week was the fact that the announcements were generally done only one time. So if someone was in an area where the speakers didn't work, they didn't hear it. If the shifter carts were driving by, nobody in that area heard it. If someone was moving their car, they didn't hear it. If someone was in the potty, they didn't hear it. Those announcements should be repeated 3-4 times for each announcement, a few minutes apart, just to make sure everyone has a chance to hear them.
On Thursday morning, quite a few folks missed their first session because there were so many cars moving around that many never heard the announcement.
Overall though, good event. Props to all of you and especially Dale!
Barry
Its a learning curve. Give it time and it will all work out. It will be much better next year.
I find it amusing that people with cars that came from the factory with way more horsepower, have the ability to run up and touch 500 whp on a stock bottom end, are fuel injected, have better suspensions, and a fancy wing on the trunk are upset, rather than embarrassed by getting beat by a car from the 80s with technology to match....
four cylinders, and equal opportunity for tires... Some people just worked harder at going fast.
Maybe more pressure should be put on the fast SRT-4 folk to be there, but I enjoyed seeing 'regular people' making it to the final rounds...
I have no bitch with the playing field, I just think they should have their own class. Its the SRT nationals. I have owned many shelby cars and I still feel that way. Ill still feel that way next year when the SRT big dogs come out to play.
Thats how we do it with the midwest nats. hell yea come and race!...but your not in it for the trophies. Thats what the mopar nats are for
You mean the SRT's were agenst the old school cars at the "srt nats"??? I thought they were just there running not actually in the runing.
yes that was correct. they were in it as much as we were. I enjoyed watching them run, but wasnt happy about them being in it. Believe me when i say it has nothing to do with them winning. I just feel that it should be like how we run it
But the biggest problem with the track all week was the fact that the announcements were generally done only one time.
Overall though, good event. Props to all of you and especially Dale!
Barry
wow... beating me up for being a shitty announcer/organizer and giving me props at the same time.... I'm crying tears of painful joy
HPT was not responsible for the announcing or scheduling. I was. I did the best I could.... now I have a list of things to offer people when they offer help this year. Last year I didn't know where we needed help, so it was tough to assign tasks...
The comments, positive and negative, from all participants are welcome. The more I read the more I realize that we did a pretty good job of figuring things out as we went along. For example, Nemo showed up to run the Drag Event, the other two people who asked to be part of the organizing team just disappeared without even calling to let me know.
Nemo, a guy named Arnie, and myself ran all of the drag racing ourselves on Friday, Nemo was the only one who had a clue....
But lessons were learned, there's a whole new plan for next year and I think people are going to like it....
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But the biggest problem with the track all week was the fact that the announcements were generally done only one time.
Overall though, good event. Props to all of you and especially Dale!
Barry
wow... beating me up for being a shitty announcer/organizer and giving me props at the same time.... I'm crying tears of painful joy
HPT was not responsible for the announcing or scheduling. I was. I did the best I could.... now I have a list of things to offer people when they offer help this year. Last year I didn't know where we needed help, so it was tough to assign tasks...
The comments, positive and negative, from all participants are welcome. The more I read the more I realize that we did a pretty good job of figuring things out as we went along. For example, Nemo showed up to run the Drag Event, the other two people who asked to be part of the organizing team just disappeared without even calling to let me know.
Nemo, a guy named Arnie, and myself ran all of the drag racing ourselves on Friday, Nemo was the only one who had a clue....
But lessons were learned, there's a whole new plan for next year and I think people are going to like it....
I think u did an awsome job dale. Its a learning curve. Next year youll have it down pact.
Like I said though, Ill be on board to help next year. Keep in mind I will have the race car there though.
Yeah where were all the "big boy" street SRTs at that talked about coming this year? Hopefully they will either get of their asses or get their car ready in time for next year because I'm ready to see a 10 second STREET SRT4 in person run down a track....
Lon's (Dasmopar) car is in the 10's and drives it on the street. He was going to go this year but a issue with the car came up.
He's also on the NOS to make it to the 10's. That strictly boost 10.74 is very impressive.
And I agree, I wish some of the big boys were there to. As it was, my car with a 11.61 pass, and consistant 11.7's was the fastest SRT there. If you would have told me that before the event, I would have never believed it!!!
he ran 11.00X with 27psi only so the n2o wasent needed. The n2o just made the issue worse.
And you make that public??? That's something I wouldn't have put on a public forum, that I added a shot of NOS and only ran .4 faster. But hey, it got him into the 10 second club, so good for him!!! I really hope the issues he has had/is having (he said the car was having problems, thus no trip to the Nats) get ironed out and he hits low 10's. Give those Shelby guys something to worry a little about, lol!!
Umm its been on a public forum for like 2 months now? The point was power wasent a problem. Plus look at the whitmountin car dbb50trim no n2o 10.7X also so power isent the problem. Suspension IS a problem. Guys with big turbo's running in the 12's on slicks is neat and all but you should be in the low 11's. Proper slick size and any coilover system will get you there if you can drive. Look at my car 11.8 not even 300whp driving is a HUGE part of the game.
AND thats where ptc's first post was all about the race cars were there for the heads up and wernt there for the bracket it seems.
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Best 60 1.662
Best 1/8 7.55/93
Best 1/4 11.865/116
Best MPG 28.1 city/33 highway
I know for a fact that if an SRT went to the shelby meet and won it all...there would be bitching. I would know, Ive been around with the turbo dodges long enough
You don't know that for a fact either. You see we don't allow SRT's unless they are owned by an SDAC member. Our event is considered our national convention it is put on for and about our members. We made that rule to keep the ricers out. But that is how we've always done it. Many of our members do have SRT4's and have brought them to our event and raced them. And if they win, no bitching, because they are a member.
If we open the event up to SRT4 owners (non SDAC members) as has been suggested to me after you guys have shown us your hospitality, there still would not be a problem. That's racing folks!
Now you wanna talk about bitching? Angelo Taylor in that carbed Horizon "Matchbox" that won the street tire bracket race, he has won the Corvette nationals bracket race 8 or 10 times, and those guys do not like their Vettes beaten by a 4 cylinder econobox. Angelo is one of the best bracket racers in our club, if he cuts a light worse than .010 he is having a bad day. He cuts a lot of .000-.005 lights, and his car is as consistent as they come. When I saw him drive in, I said "Our ringer is here!" He can be beat, but it doesn't happen often.
Of course, it doesn't surprise me to find SDAC guys stuck in the trash barrels with their feet sticking out, but it always makes me wonder, 'Who would throw a away a perfectly good SDAC guy?'
Dale, don't think the event wasn't awesome. It was. Could improvements be made? Of course, that could be said for ANY gathering with this much going on. Don't feel bad over anything, everyone had a great time, and I am positive everyone that attended this year isn't going to think twice about attending next year because of anything that was "wrong" this year. A great time, a great place. Next time though, order up some cooler temps and a stickier track. Hell, make it lower elevation to while you're at it
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Yeah where were all the "big boy" street SRTs at that talked about coming this year? Hopefully they will either get of their asses or get their car ready in time for next year because I'm ready to see a 10 second STREET SRT4 in person run down a track....
Lon's (Dasmopar) car is in the 10's and drives it on the street. He was going to go this year but a issue with the car came up.
He's also on the NOS to make it to the 10's. That strictly boost 10.74 is very impressive.
And I agree, I wish some of the big boys were there to. As it was, my car with a 11.61 pass, and consistant 11.7's was the fastest SRT there. If you would have told me that before the event, I would have never believed it!!!
he ran 11.00X with 27psi only so the n2o wasent needed. The n2o just made the issue worse.
And you make that public??? That's something I wouldn't have put on a public forum, that I added a shot of NOS and only ran .4 faster. But hey, it got him into the 10 second club, so good for him!!! I really hope the issues he has had/is having (he said the car was having problems, thus no trip to the Nats) get ironed out and he hits low 10's. Give those Shelby guys something to worry a little about, lol!!
Its always been public that he ran n2o. Im sure you meant this in away thats not showing through in your post [as I know you], but its kind coming off dick like.
I know for a fact that if an SRT went to the shelby meet and won it all...there would be bitching. I would know, Ive been around with the turbo dodges long enough
And you said it yourself...you are the guests. Its the SRT nationals.
While it might be true, or it might not, that the TD group would not appreciate a Neon taking home their trophies, it's not important.
The SDAC were not guests at the SRT Nationals. They co-hosted it. SDAC people built and maintain the event website, SDAC people stopped some of the more stupendous blunders I tried to initiate, and SDAC people brought the quickest cars to the event.
SDAC may or may not support the 2007 event, I hope they do, and we will have other clubs co-hosting with us.
SRT Nationals is not an SRT Exclusive event, in name, intent, or deed. SRT is not limited to a nameplate on a car, it's a lot more than that.
Eventually, the SRT Nationals will be renamed to better reflect the diversity of it's participants in the Mopar Family. "SRT" will remain in the name, as will "Nationals", but if things work out, the name will be less confusing in a few weeks.
I find it amusing that people with cars that came from the factory with way more horsepower, have the ability to run up and touch 500 whp on a stock bottom end, are fuel injected, have better suspensions, and a fancy wing on the trunk are upset, rather than embarrassed by getting beat by a car from the 80s with technology to match....
four cylinders, and equal opportunity for tires... Some people just worked harder at going fast.
Maybe more pressure should be put on the fast SRT-4 folk to be there, but I enjoyed seeing 'regular people' making it to the final rounds...
I have no bitch with the playing field, I just think they should have their own class. Its the SRT nationals. I have owned many shelby cars and I still feel that way. Ill still feel that way next year when the SRT big dogs come out to play.
Thats how we do it with the midwest nats. hell yea come and race!...but your not in it for the trophies. Thats what the mopar nats are for
You mean the SRT's were agenst the old school cars at the "srt nats"??? I thought they were just there running not actually in the runing.
yes that was correct. they were in it as much as we were. I enjoyed watching them run, but wasnt happy about them being in it. Believe me when i say it has nothing to do with them winning. I just feel that it should be like how we run it
Well thats cool that they ran but i thought it was just for the heck of it. I would think at the "SRT NATS" that the srt cars/trucks would be the only ones up for prizes but whatever you all agreed on is cool also.
Yeah where were all the "big boy" street SRTs at that talked about coming this year? Hopefully they will either get of their asses or get their car ready in time for next year because I'm ready to see a 10 second STREET SRT4 in person run down a track....
Lon's (Dasmopar) car is in the 10's and drives it on the street. He was going to go this year but a issue with the car came up.
He's also on the NOS to make it to the 10's. That strictly boost 10.74 is very impressive.
And I agree, I wish some of the big boys were there to. As it was, my car with a 11.61 pass, and consistant 11.7's was the fastest SRT there. If you would have told me that before the event, I would have never believed it!!!
he ran 11.00X with 27psi only so the n2o wasent needed. The n2o just made the issue worse.
And you make that public??? That's something I wouldn't have put on a public forum, that I added a shot of NOS and only ran .4 faster. But hey, it got him into the 10 second club, so good for him!!! I really hope the issues he has had/is having (he said the car was having problems, thus no trip to the Nats) get ironed out and he hits low 10's. Give those Shelby guys something to worry a little about, lol!!
Umm its been on a public forum for like 2 months now? The point was power wasent a problem. Plus look at the whitmountin car dbb50trim no n2o 10.7X also so power isent the problem. Suspension IS a problem. Guys with big turbo's running in the 12's on slicks is neat and all but you should be in the low 11's. Proper slick size and any coilover system will get you there if you can drive. Look at my car 11.8 not even 300whp driving is a HUGE part of the game.
AND thats where ptc's first post was all about the race cars were there for the heads up and wernt there for the bracket it seems.
Not to be a smartass, that is not my intention at all here, but if he already had enough power but no suspension, why did he add another power mod??? And the 10.74 run was impressive as hell to me, he must have enough power AND suspension. Perhaps he should have went with NOS before suspension so he could be running low 11's to???
Next time though, order up some cooler temps and a stickier track. Hell, make it lower elevation to while you're at it
Thought I did a good job there too... hot weather on Thursday to keep the roadcourse warm, then temps in the 60's on Friday for drag racing.... Sure, it was a little humid, but I'm new at this whole 'control the weather' thing. At least the 15 mph tailwind wasn't a headwind....
wow... beating me up for being a shitty announcer/organizer and giving me props at the same time.... I'm crying tears of painful joy
Well it was meant to be constructive. I know you want to make your event better every year, and as I've said before, the excellence of the event is in the details. I waited till now to post much here about the event because the first couple days after were pandemonium, so I thought the time was ripe now.
You know that when you start planning next years event, you can always ask me if you need help or advice on some things. You got my email, and I would be happy to help in the background in any way I can.
Yeah where were all the "big boy" street SRTs at that talked about coming this year? Hopefully they will either get of their asses or get their car ready in time for next year because I'm ready to see a 10 second STREET SRT4 in person run down a track....
Lon's (Dasmopar) car is in the 10's and drives it on the street. He was going to go this year but a issue with the car came up.
He's also on the NOS to make it to the 10's. That strictly boost 10.74 is very impressive.
And I agree, I wish some of the big boys were there to. As it was, my car with a 11.61 pass, and consistant 11.7's was the fastest SRT there. If you would have told me that before the event, I would have never believed it!!!
he ran 11.00X with 27psi only so the n2o wasent needed. The n2o just made the issue worse.
And you make that public??? That's something I wouldn't have put on a public forum, that I added a shot of NOS and only ran .4 faster. But hey, it got him into the 10 second club, so good for him!!! I really hope the issues he has had/is having (he said the car was having problems, thus no trip to the Nats) get ironed out and he hits low 10's. Give those Shelby guys something to worry a little about, lol!!
Umm its been on a public forum for like 2 months now? The point was power wasent a problem. Plus look at the whitmountin car dbb50trim no n2o 10.7X also so power isent the problem. Suspension IS a problem. Guys with big turbo's running in the 12's on slicks is neat and all but you should be in the low 11's. Proper slick size and any coilover system will get you there if you can drive. Look at my car 11.8 not even 300whp driving is a HUGE part of the game.
AND thats where ptc's first post was all about the race cars were there for the heads up and wernt there for the bracket it seems.
Not to be a smartass, that is not my intention at all here, but if he already had enough power but no suspension, why did he add another power mod??? And the 10.74 run was impressive as hell to me, he must have enough power AND suspension. Perhaps he should have went with NOS before suspension so he could be running low 11's to???
Well i kinda bundled it all into one there it wasent his suspension he has pulled many 1.6's. it was a mechanical problem for his car. actually 2 of them. If you ever check out the midwestsrts forum there are details over there.
Yeah where were all the "big boy" street SRTs at that talked about coming this year? Hopefully they will either get of their asses or get their car ready in time for next year because I'm ready to see a 10 second STREET SRT4 in person run down a track....
Lon's (Dasmopar) car is in the 10's and drives it on the street. He was going to go this year but a issue with the car came up.
He's also on the NOS to make it to the 10's. That strictly boost 10.74 is very impressive.
And I agree, I wish some of the big boys were there to. As it was, my car with a 11.61 pass, and consistant 11.7's was the fastest SRT there. If you would have told me that before the event, I would have never believed it!!!
he ran 11.00X with 27psi only so the n2o wasent needed. The n2o just made the issue worse.
And you make that public??? That's something I wouldn't have put on a public forum, that I added a shot of NOS and only ran .4 faster. But hey, it got him into the 10 second club, so good for him!!! I really hope the issues he has had/is having (he said the car was having problems, thus no trip to the Nats) get ironed out and he hits low 10's. Give those Shelby guys something to worry a little about, lol!!
Its always been public that he ran n2o. Im sure you meant this in away thats not showing through in your post [as I know you], but its kind coming off dick like.
Yes, I knew he needed the NOS to get into the 10's, I just didn't know he ran an 11.00X without it. He posted his best time of 10.96. .04 seconds for a shot of the juice just doesn't seem worth it to me. And then he goes on to say that he had all the power he needed, he just needed to get it to the ground. Wouldn't a logical next step be suspension instead of another power adder? Again, I don't know the car, the person, the situation, the anything. Hell, I shall just shut my pie hole, I don't want to offend anyone. Das has a 10 second car, I don't (yet). Enough said.
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