Cracks in a cast exhaust manifold are considered normal, particularly on a turbo car. What people are referring to on the stage 3 is nothing we should be worrying about. This is (yet another) situation where a harmless issue gets blown out of proportion on the fourm.
If you feel this post is negative, feel free to delete it...I bolded the key word, SHOULD...ALL S3R turbine fins SHOULD not be chipped/deformed...If mani cracks shouldn't be a problem, mopar SHOULD make a warranty exception and back up S3R with a warranty...
If you feel this post is negative, feel free to delete it...I bolded the key word, SHOULD...ALL S3R turbine fins SHOULD not be chipped/deformed...If mani cracks shouldn't be a problem, mopar SHOULD make a warranty exception and back up S3R with a warranty...
We're also assuming the 2 have anything to do with each other. I'm not convinced they do... but I'm also not going into that either.
I don't understand the thinking of making a warranty exception. They should add a warranty of something normal? What would they warranty?
Either way, we know that won't happen. I would assume if we were looking for a warrantied part like this, we would have very well had to pay quite a bit more for it in the first place.
That is a totaly unreasonable expectation. Everyone knows and has known since before these kits came out, that they are in fact without warrenty and may also cause the lose of the powertrain warrenty after install. So any one who choose to add these parts needs to grow up and take responsibilty for there choices and realize that high HP cars break. When you push things they push back man, that is the way of the car. Just my thoughts.
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I think you just owned me by saying "we all know a warranty not going to happen" so that ends that
On the otherside of the coin...If one had a stock car, brought their car to their dealer under warranty because the powerwindows stopped working...The mechanic notices cracks in exhaust manifold...Does it get replaced automatically? I assume no, but I really don't know...
Furthermore, if on a stock car, someone goes into the dealer because they're only boosting 4psi...The mechanic sees cracks in the manifold, would the dealer then fix it? I assume they would, but again don't really know...
"BEWARE! S3R Manifolds Cracking!" has way too much drama associated with it.
What is there to beware of anyway? Most people have known for a long time that our SRT-4 cast manifolds crack, regardless of whether or not they stock or S3R.
It's cool.
Well I am the one that posted "Beware S3R Manifolds are cracking", because I was told that they were. I dont think it was a dramatic post in the least. I was told that it could be detremental to the turbo if not fixed. I was simply letting other S3R owners that they might want to get it looked at if they had not. If someone else found out information about my car that could possibly cost a great deal of money to fix, I sure as hell would want to know about it.
Oh and I was told about this crack and its possible effects by Darrell Cox, who is a VERY trusted and knowledgable person on these forums.
I had this modification done to my turbo by DCR and the difference in performance was VERY noticable. I paid full price for the work done and received NO discount. So there was no OTHER agenda on my part, I was simply looking out for other S3R owners like my self.
I think you just owned me by saying "we all know a warranty not going to happen" so that ends that
On the otherside of the coin...If one had a stock car, brought their car to their dealer under warranty because the powerwindows stopped working...The mechanic notices cracks in exhaust manifold...Does it get replaced automatically? I assume no, but I really don't know...
Furthermore, if on a stock car, someone goes into the dealer because they're only boosting 4psi...The mechanic sees cracks in the manifold, would the dealer then fix it? I assume they would, but again don't really know...
A technician isn't going to "notice" a crack... unless it's a gaping hole and it's leaking exhaust.
Techs are not allowed to have an "upsale" on warranty... but if they see something obvious, dangerous, etc. the manager can ok the warranty add-on. This protects someone from having their car "overfixed" or "restored under warranty."
If a manifold was removed to diagnose an issue, and the cracks were noticed... it could easily get replaced under warranty. BUT if it had nothing to do with the complaint, then it'd be a judgement call.
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Well I am the one that posted "Beware S3R Manifolds are cracking", because I was told that they were. I dont think it was a dramatic post in the least. I was told that it could be detremental to the turbo if not fixed. I was simply letting other S3R owners that they might want to get it looked at if they had not. If someone else found out information about my car that could possibly cost a great deal of money to fix, I sure as hell would want to know about it.
Oh and I was told about this crack and its possible effects by Darrell Cox, who is a VERY trusted and knowledgable person on these forums.
I had this modification done to my turbo by DCR and the difference in performance was VERY noticable. I paid full price for the work done and received NO discount. So there was no OTHER agenda on my part, I was simply looking out for other S3R owners like my self.
I don't think your post was dramatic in and of itself... BUT where it went after that baby was hatched is another story.
No one is doubting Mr. Cox as being trusted and knowledgable... but at the same time, we all need to look at the issues presented from every possible angle. That is why we prefer to "discuss" rather than "flip out" as some forum members have done..
Also why I posted this in my forum so if we get some crack-addicts spouting about their stage 3's exploding, etc... then I can erase them. If it's not discussing the issues, bringing up valid points, or talking about inflatable sheep and his ability to crack your manifold, then it will be erased from this thread.
...ALL S3R turbine fins SHOULD not be chipped/deformed...
Quote: Originally Posted by thepowertowin
We're also assuming the 2 have anything to do with each other. I'm not convinced they do...
Here is proof that at least one of the turbine failures has nothing to do with cracks in the manifold.
Quote: Originally Posted by nathanstl
I spoke to Matt at DCR and my problem with the stage 3 turbine was not caused by any cracking in the manifold. He actually said mine was the first one he saw without cracks in that area, but keep in mind it was only on the car for maybe 500-600 miles.
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I used to do non-destructive testing (NDT) using Magnaflux Zyglo penetrant. This spray does the same thing by making the cracks more visible. The problem isn't being able to see the crack with the naked eye, it's getting access to the area that needs to be tested (removing turbo/manifold).
I used to do non-destructive testing (NDT) using Magnaflux Zyglo penetrant. This spray does the same thing by making the cracks more visible. The problem isn't being able to see the crack with the naked eye, it's getting access to the area that needs to be tested (removing turbo/manifold).
That was where I was going... I think that's a lot of work in order to see if your manifold has any small cracks. (which it probably does already.)
Cracks in a cast exhaust manifold are considered normal, particularly on a turbo car. What people are referring to on the stage 3 is nothing we should be worrying about. This is (yet another) situation where a harmless issue gets blown out of proportion on the fourm.
I recommend a cool-down period or turbo timer to impede their progression.
Please excuse this post if it may sound a bit "negative" but what you are basically telling all S3R owners is that cracks are normal on any cast manifold and that they should not fret over this issue and that they should perform a cool down period which will slow down the cracking process but all in all everything will be fine and dandy?
Is this your opinion or do you have some type of actual evidence that proves that cracks on THIS exhaust manifold over a long period of time have no negative affects whatsoever?
Sorry but I don't buy the "don't worry about it, all will be fine" theory. To ignore the problem would be ignorant.
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