LMAO at the same 3 or 4 people talking to each other in every clutch thread.
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I am REALLY starting to hate SBC. Last year I had some bolt-ons and a fuel tuning module installed on my car and the stock clutch was slipping when I got it dyno-tuned, so I got a new clutch installed and it just so happened it was a Stage 3 South Bend Clutch. It lasted about 1 racing season last year (5 trips to the dragstrip) and all of a sudden one day I put the clutch pedal to the floor and it was grinding. I though the clutch had just gone out of adjustment so I re-adjusted it so it wouldn't grind when fully engaged and it started slipping once it would hit 5 pounds of boost. So I took it back and they installed a stage 5 South Bend clutch and told me that the slave cylinder went bad and that could have caused the clutch to go bad, so I was thinking I just got unlucky. I just got the clutch broken yesterday and took my car to the opener at PIR (Portland International Raceway) and I was on my last run. I made a quick shift from 1st to 2nd and all of a sudden it was like I missed a shift and it started grinding for a second. I was like wtf?! So I tried putting it into gear anyway and it acted like it was in neutral the whole time. Needless to say I was extremely pissed of because I thinking either the clutch exploded or the pressure plate went bad because once I killed the car I couldn't even start it because it's like the clutch won't even engage.
I got a tow 60 miles home (good thing I had towing insurance). But in my opinion this is ridiculous. My car wasn't even pushing the limits of the stage 3 clutch (which is rated for 500whp) and I think the stage 5 is rated for something like 600 or more whp and I am only putting out around 280whp and 300wtq. There must be a defective batch of clutches out there...Anyone that knows of a good, reliable clutch out there please chime in because I am getting so fed up with this bs with clutches that I am about to sell my car. I was going to buy a set of slicks and get water injection this year but now I may end up saying screw this and not even race.
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i overheated that cluch on the burnout, it wasn't my first time at the track with it on slicks...whatev, it got replaced
had to one up me with the 119
trap speed correlates with power output.
i dont see how 60' times are relevant.
12k seems low for a 6-puck...but i guess with abuse and track time it makes sense.
no worries though, i believe gabe is racing sunday w/ the 26" tires and i'm planning on racing at MATS on my 24.5"s
IMO trap speed is a lot less relevant that 60' times because the less your 60' time is, the more your clutch has to "hold"; especially if your on slicks. Trap spped isn't as important, IMO, because I would slip the SBC Stage 5x I had WOT shifting, but it would do just fine granny shifting all day.
You and Gabe were the ones where I'm mentioning having those friends with the SBC clutches that are getting ready to test them soon. Hope I works out for you guys; really.
The personal experience I had with them just left a salty taste in my mouth and I thought it would be important for people to know what happened with me. A LOT of people are having problems with them. Just because a couple of Realtune customers aren't having problems (that we know of) doesn't mean the company produces an overall great product.
IMO trap speed is a lot less relevant that 60' times because the less your 60' time is, the more your clutch has to "hold"; especially if your on slicks. Trap spped isn't as important, IMO, because I would slip the SBC Stage 5x I had WOT shifting, but it would do just fine granny shifting all day.
You and Gabe were the ones where I'm mentioning having those friends with the SBC clutches that are getting ready to test them soon. Hope I works out for you guys; really.
The personal experience I had with them just left a salty taste in my mouth and I thought it would be important for people to know what happened with me. A LOT of people are having problems with them. Just because a couple of Realtune customers aren't having problems (that we know of) doesn't mean the company produces an overall great product.
A couple that arent? Nice try. Try a couple that are or were rather. Seriously that is a hugely ignorant statement. Where are these A LOT of people? I sure as hell dont see them. Getting 9-10 names together is hilarous considering the amount of clutches that SBC has out there. All I see is once in awhile someone has a problem and the same 3-4 people jump in to blow the thread up talking back and forth. Its a joke at this point.
And Ill be honest, no one gives a rats ass what ''happened'' to you. People still buy the clutches and people still turn in good times....which you havent been able to do with any clutch company yet [ACT, SBC and now CM].
Its amazing how there are thousands of people having good success with their CM, ACT, and SBC clutches and yet you cant keep one of them in your car. I wonder why that is.....
Last edited by aaronneon@RealTune : 03-07-2009 at 01:32 PM.
ive beating my SBC stage III TO DEATH since day one and still holding strong as it was new. U noobs
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ive beating my SBC stage III TO DEATH since day one and still holding strong as it was new. U noobs
No doubt
Im betting your secretly having issues though and are just hiding it
Seriously what a joke of a statement. I sell ACT and SBC. If SBC was shit like philth is trying to say, I would just not sell them. Plain and simple. However the good far out weights the bad and Ill continue to sell both clutch brands.
I have gotten away from trying to sell the modular clutches though. I think this communities overall performance has surpassed those needs
Im betting your secretly having issues though and are just hiding it
Seriously what a joke of a statement. I sell ACT and SBC. If SBC was shit like philth is trying to say, I would just not sell them. Plain and simple. However the good far out weights the bad and Ill continue to sell both clutch brands.
I have gotten away from trying to sell the modular clutches though. I think this communities overall performance has surpassed those needs
I think its all on how u drive the cars. I see some ppl spinning bearings, Breaking stock rods, Breaking trannies and so forth. My car has 113k on it, Stock tranny, Stock Motor, The only Warranty claim ive EVER had is my rear driver side caliper and my passenger side fog light that burns out every yr. My tranny shifts like butter and I MEAN like butter still (ive used amsoil atf in all of its life) I beat the Shit out of my car... but then again, with experience comes KNOWING how to tune and beat on cars the right way.
IMO trap speed is a lot less relevant that 60' times because the less your 60' time is, the more your clutch has to "hold"; especially if your on slicks. Trap spped isn't as important, IMO, because I would slip the SBC Stage 5x I had WOT shifting, but it would do just fine granny shifting all day.
You and Gabe were the ones where I'm mentioning having those friends with the SBC clutches that are getting ready to test them soon. Hope I works out for you guys; really.
The personal experience I had with them just left a salty taste in my mouth and I thought it would be important for people to know what happened with me. A LOT of people are having problems with them. Just because a couple of Realtune customers aren't having problems (that we know of) doesn't mean the company produces an overall great product.
24.5 slicks 6000rpm launches and 3ish psi out of the hole... cut a best of 1.66 last year.... hows that for holding???
Oh ya and tons of 1.7x last year on 26" slicks... 40 or so passes at the track
Installed by me and my buddy joel, broke in for 800-1000 miles i dont remember which, but i know i did more than recommended
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Lmao Aaron. You're something else. I don't give a fuck what people think of my experience. EVERY LAST BIT OF INFORMATION I'm posting here is true. The CM disc I'm using now did me wonders. I ran my fastest time with it and I daily drove it. Seriously dude? Something the SBC clutches (neither one of them could do). Of course the Stage 5x wouldn't slip when I granny shifted but somehow did when I WOT shifted at the track ONLY when I have slicks on and in HOM with Stage 3.
I wasn't suggesting any of your nut huggers were lying about anything.
I honestly think you're just pissed that I'm attempting to ruin your sales when that isn't even the case. I am simply stating MY experience with SBC. And ironically you didn't have anything to do with it because I didn't buy it from you. Gee, wonder why you're so concerned there, Shallow Hal.
Of the other brand cluthes I've used...ACT at least worked for me. The street disc lasted a long ass time, and the 6 puck last about 10 passes. Both clutches were DD so miles were put on them inbetween. The 6 puck PP was found to have a bad diaphragm ( I think, can't remember) and ACT has since redesigned their PP. Yes DCR PS2 failed immediately and so did SBC. Maybe it's my driving, maybe it's not. Hell who knows. Maybe it's the fact that we often have to wait over an hour in the staging lanes and it heats the clutch up before the burnout? Lots of variables. But if it IS, my driving I invite you to bring your ass out here and prove me otherwise.
Oh and one more note I'd like to mention. I changed a friends clutch sometime ago to an SBC stage 5. It vibrated like a mofo between 2-3k rpms and the problem wasn't there before hand. Upon consulting you, he had me drop the trans again and replace the flex plate because you said so. Why? Who knows? Though the vibes are now reduced they are still there.
24.5 slicks 6000rpm launches and 3ish psi out of the hole... cut a best of 1.66 last year.... hows that for holding???
Oh ya and tons of 1.7x last year on 26" slicks... 40 or so passes at the track
Installed by me and my buddy joel, broke in for 800-1000 miles i dont remember which, but i know i did more than recommended
That's great. Glad it's working out for you. Again I'm not saying every single clutch from SBC. Maybe it IS the long wait times here and clutches heating up with all the stop n go traffic in the staging lanes?
u drive a NEON for christs sake!!!!! Its gonna vibrate, i have the Sb stg3 modular w/ the old style bolts prob at around 10000 miles now tracked it all last year and still holding strong. Id say installer error or learn how to drive
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Lmao Aaron. You're something else. I don't give a fuck what people think of my experience. EVERY LAST BIT OF INFORMATION I'm posting here is true. The CM disc I'm using now did me wonders. I ran my fastest time with it and I daily drove it. Seriously dude? Something the SBC clutches (neither one of them could do). Of course the Stage 5x wouldn't slip when I granny shifted but somehow did when I WOT shifted at the track ONLY when I have slicks on and in HOM with Stage 3.
I wasn't suggesting any of your nut huggers were lying about anything.
I honestly think you're just pissed that I'm attempting to ruin your sales when that isn't even the case. I am simply stating MY experience with SBC. And ironically you didn't have anything to do with it because I didn't buy it from you. Gee, wonder why you're so concerned there, Shallow Hal.
Of the other brand cluthes I've used...ACT at least worked for me. The street disc lasted a long ass time, and the 6 puck last about 10 passes. Both clutches were DD so miles were put on them inbetween. The 6 puck PP was found to have a bad diaphragm ( I think, can't remember) and ACT has since redesigned their PP. Yes DCR PS2 failed immediately and so did SBC. Maybe it's my driving, maybe it's not. Hell who knows. Maybe it's the fact that we often have to wait over an hour in the staging lanes and it heats the clutch up before the burnout? Lots of variables. But if it IS, my driving I invite you to bring your ass out here and prove me otherwise.
Oh and one more note I'd like to mention. I changed a friends clutch sometime ago to an SBC stage 5. It vibrated like a mofo between 2-3k rpms and the problem wasn't there before hand. Upon consulting you, he had me drop the trans again and replace the flex plate because you said so. Why? Who knows? Though the vibes are now reduced they are still there.
Thats not the case at all and I resent you saying that. Even if you were trying to ''ruin'' my sales, its not working. So why would I bother saying anything? Its because Im tired of reading the same sob story from the same 3-4 people. Seriously, if I really saw that SBC clutches were junk, I would drop the line up. However we have had way to much success and way to many good experiences to even remotely think of doing so.
I hop in these threads hoping to help or shed some light on something and every time I do, I see you beatching up a storm. Its beyond old so thats why I post basically telling you that your beatching isnt doing anything but boring people who follow these threads and filling them up with stuff thats been talked about a million times from you.
As for the flexplate, that has fixed many peoples issues with any manufacturer that had a modular setup, hence my reason I said to try that. The best idea is to not be cheap and buy a non-modular setup from SBC or ACT. If you have to buy modular, take into account there is an improved chance for an issue. They are good clutches for the money, but a non-modular is the way to go
That's great. Glad it's working out for you. Again I'm not saying every single clutch from SBC. Maybe it IS the long wait times here and clutches heating up with all the stop n go traffic in the staging lanes?
I dunno, I always push my car thru staging lanes I also daily drove my car 40 minutes too work and back, plus to school, etc. I do tons of freeway runs against some fast cars, etc... drove to ohio and back, dyno pulls, now i just drove it to ohio again on the same clutch To be honest if i was not gonna make more power and higher rev limit i would probably stick with it
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