I mean come on Aaron, your in a 6+ page thread about how bad the SB clutches are, I think that says enough about em. I have yet to see a daily driven 6 puck ACT owner post up bad results, at all. Last post I read was a guy with 40k+ on his, and the rivots blew open on the PP, but the clutch pucks still looked newish.
My stage 5 clutch looked ok, but the pressure plate was broken in 5 pieces and I was not hard on this clutch at all. So maybe their pressure plates are weak or something.
I am not trying to say that SBC are bad. I could just be one of the unlucky people. I have heard of several others that are running much faster cars than mine with a similar clutch setup with no problems. Of course if anyone was in my shoes I am sure they would go with ACT just because of the hassel they have already had to put up with.
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I mean come on Aaron, your in a 6+ page thread about how bad the SB clutches are, I think that says enough about em. I have yet to see a daily driven 6 puck ACT owner post up bad results, at all. Last post I read was a guy with 40k+ on his, and the rivots blew open on the PP, but the clutch pucks still looked newish.
The people that are crying are complaining about clutches that are no longer available. So your talking about a mute point. Your also talking about the same 4-5 people talking in this 6+ page thread not a ton.
What you dont see, is the fact that we sold 90+ SBC clutches last year and had only a fraction have an issue. Now with the newer style clutches, that fraction will turn into dust along with moving away from the modular clutches. SBC stuck it out with the modular setups because people liked them so much [because of price]. They give people what they want and then get burned by a few that cry up a storm that they dont hold up like non-modulars. LMAO is about the reaction from me at this point.
As for yet to see bad results, your obviously not looking hard enough or you dont have the same 4-5 guys bumping every single ACT thread like you do here. EVERY clutch manufacturer has failures. Its the nature of the business. Your taking a heavy 4 cylinder high torque car and handing the keys over mostly to people who have never driven a high powered car before which only amplifies the problem.
Your welcome to your opinion and you can disagree all you want, but the fact of the matter is your one case and searches on the internet will not change what Ive seen in person and the hundreds of clutches we have sold and used for the NSRT4.
We had a good amount of problems with ACT when they were first released. They have been doing great lately and I can feel confident selling them. SBC has had its share of problems with the modular clutches and they ditched the stage 4 and 5 [which were big sellers] to cut down with issues. Between these two companies, Im confident we are putting an end to the SRT4 clutch problems
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Like I said, I dropped the tranny 2 weeks back, I even took pictures, there was ZERO cracking, crumbling ETC. I inspected it very closely, i took the flywheel over to my machine shop and he didnt even feel it was necesary to cut the flywheel, I made him anyways and took only a few thousands off. The pucks looked brand new.
Longevity = street driving, i doubt many people say i want a clutch that will last many moons at the track. When someone asks for a clutch to last, its because they street drive it. And 15k is no where "mere" for a race clutch daily driven. The street disc will not hold as well as the puck clutch ACT puts out, the question was around holding power, which if you punish a lesser rated clutch, it will blow up sooner.
Your either wrapped up babbling or you didnt read what I wrote. I said for him to buy the xtreme street setup, which is MORE than enough of a clutch for what he is doing. I also know Rasp personally. He doesnt race his car much at all at the track and longevity is what he wants = street driving.
So continue to disagree with me when your disagreeing a point that has nothing to with my statement.
As for the puck looking brand new, either your car is making 300whp and you drive like a grandma...or your just straight pulling my leg.
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My stage 5 clutch looked ok, but the pressure plate was broken in 5 pieces and I was not hard on this clutch at all. So maybe their pressure plates are weak or something.
I am not trying to say that SBC are bad. I could just be one of the unlucky people. I have heard of several others that are running much faster cars than mine with a similar clutch setup with no problems. Of course if anyone was in my shoes I am sure they would go with ACT just because of the hassel they have already had to put up with.
The pressure plates are weak in structure IMO. Hence the reason the stage 4 and 5 are discontinued. Anyone with the kind of power needed for a stage 4 or 5, should be getting a non-modular. Time has proven that.
Its not an SBC thing, its a modular sachs thing.
ACT was smart and did away with the modulars long ago. SBC stuck with them because of the demand and took a hit. Working with us they developed the race series which is doing extremely well.
Last edited by aaronneon@RealTune : 03-20-2009 at 02:29 PM.
The pressure plates are weak in structure IMO. Hence the reason the stage 4 and 5 are discontinued. Anyone with the kind of power needed for a stage 4 or 5, should be getting a non-modular. Time has proven that.
Its not an SBC thing, its a modular sachs thing.
ACT was smart and did away with the modulars long ago. SBC stuck with them because of the demand and took a hit. Working with us they developed the race series which is doing extremely well.
Even if you choose not to buy a clutch from me, I can still help you pick out which will work the best. As a vendor, I want to see people choose the correct setup to help cut down on future issues.
Even if you choose not to buy a clutch from me, I can still help you pick out which will work the best. As a vendor, I want to see people choose the correct setup to help cut down on future issues.
I bought my SBC 3 modular last year at this time and so far so good. I'll tell you right now that my car has seen so much abuse (10k so far).
Now on to my ?
Has SBC improved anything on the modular since i last bought mine (last year this time)???
Thanks bud
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My problem, I think, was just going with a modular clutch setup. I should have paid the extra for a non-modular system. In any case, I will be moving to a non-mod setup - both for the better design and for the peace of mind of having a totally stronger unit.
theres a SBC stage 5 modular in 1siksrt's car, it has taken a BEATING and kept going, not one issue, originally it vibrated like hell because of the bolt issue, we were supplied with the new allen head bolts, yanked the clutch out, replaced the bolts and not one issue and he made TONs of passes in the 11.4-11.9 range without one issue
just put a SBC stage 3 in a couple weeks ago and there were no balancing issues whatsoever
and the infamous DCR PS2 clutch that I originally purchased WAY back that everyone had issues with took everything i could throw at it, 60-1 @32psi, and then we swapped that into a mid 11 second car and it held 30+ passes on slicks no issues whatsoever
a lot of problems with clutches can really be solved by checking the installation, people need to know that the clutch disk CANNOT get anything on it at all, for the abuse they take in the car it's astonishing how a little moisture, grease or oil can make it slip
break-in is also a HUGE problem, people always get antsy with the break-in procedure and beat on the clutch way too soon, glazing it over, i put 1500 miles on the PS2 clutch for break-in and it held great, then i came on here and heard everyone bitching about it slipping, everyone pointed their fingers in any direction possible aside from their own, when in reality it was their fault
rant over........oh ya, don't take a modular clutch past 7k, that accounts for a couple other failures, which was just plain stupidity
SBC Stage 5 non-mod steel flywheel.. TOB went bad and got cocked causing partial engagement.. not realizing how bad it was I drove on it anyway, pulled it out to find it over heated to shit.. Called SBC and he said ship it out he'll fix it all up and give me a new TOB for dirt cheap. I'll be shipping it tomorrow I'll let you all know how it goes.
Clutch never slipped with my DCR TT E1's. -Very- heavy pedal.. Customer service is to me what makes it amazing. I'll buy from them forever again if I get the results I expect sending it in. I'll post up again when I get it back
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