Glad i found this useful information.. i might switch over to the mobil 1 as long as it works well, ive been changing my tranny fluid every 10k (I drive hard too) and this would cost half as much! unless someone can prove otherwise, mobil 1 makes perfect sense.
Most modern syn. transmission fluids like RP,Gm, amsoil has the friction modifiers in it because of the newer type syncros in our transmissions.
Use motor oil for the older transmissions with syncros without friction pads or some racing transmissions.
If you have trouble with shifting, then you have worn parts or the cable adjustments are out and motor oil will not help it. [Change it often because the FM breaks the fluid down]
I have over 500 trips down the strip, most with WOT shifting with Mopar atf+4 and friction modifiers and after 75,000 miles have never had a shifting problem. It's cheap and is very good fluid and others have to be licensed to use the ATF+4 label.
You will need to use either mobil 1 high mileage 10w30 or w40(the only non racing only with all the correct additives and modifiers), redline, royal purple or another quality racing oil. If you have to use amsoil or pennzoil make sure it has a SL rating and contains ZDP at least at 16000ppm. I STRONGLY urge you to use the Mobil 1 high mileage, A Chrysler tech had it tested and it was within 99% of the original Mopar Lube’s formulation with a slight increase in ZDP and a slight drop in sulfur. Sulfur was only used for brass synchro’d trannies as an anti tarnish agent.
NEVER use atf+4 or gear oil as neither should be used in a performance NVT/G 350 tranny. ATF+4 was a swap for cost and time while building the neon and should never be used except for mild driving in unmodified cars. Serious.
Gear oil is too thick and unable to sling up onto the passive oiling system or make it through the shafts, synchro damage is the most common result.
Maddog uses it in his SRT-4, 1st gen ACR and his sons 03 R/T Neon. No issues and his cars shift great. I let him know about this thread.
Or direct from API here with Engineer speak, this is the entire OIl classidfication requirements by the API.: http://www.api.org/certifications/en...forprint-2.pdf
SL oils Page 59-60 under sequence VE, compare to page 60-61, ZDDP level is set between .06-.08% on SM, SL must have at least .08%.
So, All SL oils are required to have ZDDP, by federaly mandated API and SAE certification.
Or direct from API here with Engineer speak, this is the entire OIl classidfication requirements by the API.: http://www.api.org/certifications/en...forprint-2.pdf
SL oils Page 59-60 under sequence VE, compare to page 60-61, ZDDP level is set between .06-.08% on SM, SL must have at least .08%.
So, All SL oils are required to have ZDDP, by federaly mandated API and SAE certification.
As you can see it has the SL rating.
Thanks, I see now.
What I originally actually said still holds true though , it's not listed by name in the provided MSDS, but only because SL makes it a given at that 0.08% level. So now what I'm thinking is it's specifically listed in the Clean MSDS sheets because there's more of it, being listed with a maximum 2.5%.
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for sure. I dont know if i'm brave enough to try it
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