Ok so heres my setup right now, I have Stage2 with turbo toys, BFMIC, Agp intake, Dcr 55mm TB, FM wga spike 20 hold 15-16, needswings dp with cutout, Agp hardpipe with HKS ssq bov. Have and AEM wideband o2 as well. I want to get a meth kit, which kit do u guys prefer for my setup? Aquamist, Devils own, Snow??? I want to get a DSP as well. U think with a meth kit and a tune with a DSP would get me 300+ whp?? My car is a DD so i dont want nothing crazy, just a quick ride thats fun to drive everyday. With some trips to the track maybe 2 times a year. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
Last edited by PK's 04 SRT : 08-01-2009 at 10:12 AM.
IMO unless you tune for the W/A do not look at as an add on HP mod, instead it works to supplement what you have and helps to insure what you have works best = addresses fuel and intake temps.
On a base setup I would look at W/A injection to help cool the intake air charge temps and to help with knock when using pump gas.
If you tune for W/A injection then you want to insure that the W/A injection system has a proper way to monitor the W/A for faults and a method to take corrective action if there's a fault.
Aquamist HFS-1 is on the low side for cost but works great for intake air charge cooling and knock suppression. It will also work well for a tuned methanol injection system if you decide to do it.
The Aquamist HFS-6 is for when you want the very best and will going with a 100% aggressive tune for the W/A injection right off the bat.
The HFS-1 uses a solenoid, where as the HFS-6 uses a High Speed Valve (HSV) which is in effect makes the W/A a dedicated delivery system that closely mirrors/mimics the hardware, use, control and functionality of the stock fuel system = very very precise injection that uses the factory PCM 3D fuel mapping as the W/A controller.
With a flash tuner you can get a little more aggressive if you know the W/A system is working.............you should see more power because of this, so this might be where it could be considered that a W/A system is a power adder............its just semantics for some people.
Ok so heres my setup right now, I have Stage2 with turbo toys, BFMIC, Agp intake, Dcr 55mm TB, FM wga spike 20 hold 15-16, needswings dp with cutout, Agp hardpipe with HKS ssq bov. Have and AEM wideband o2 as well. I want to get a meth kit, which kit do u guys prefer for my setup? Aquamist, Devils own, Snow??? I want to get a DSP as well. U think with a meth kit and a tune with a DSP would get me 300+ whp?? My car is a DD so i dont want nothing crazy, just a quick ride thats fun to drive everyday. With some trips to the track maybe 2 times a year. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
PK,
You can never guarantee HP, however it will make your vehicle more efficient and even a stock vehicle should make a gain due to colder temps and efficiency. Tuning always gains the most.
"If you dont want to pay an arm and a leg and want the best value in the business please see us at Water Injection, Methanol Injection, Alcohol Injection Systems | Coolingmist."
Should be, "if you do not mind giving up accuracy and you want to spend less to get less buy from Wiz Bang........................we will also never educate you on how things actually work because we do not really now about properly designing W/A components therefore we just sell stuff to people because thats what we do best and people are suckers (= were better @ BS then design). Also if you have post sales issues we will make up some stupid statement that can not be back up by the laws of physics"
As a for instance Wiz Bang, tell all of us how the people with super high speed valves are making out with there systems? How many very savy users have not picked up on the issues you have with the Super duper High Speed piece of poop you are pushing? Are you still trying to shim them on the backside to make them work against how they were designed to work by the manufacturer for another application all together = still trying to bend the laws of physics and electronic principals with stupid coding tricks for the Wiz Bang controller.................yup Wiz Bang is taking a part that really does not work well in this application (was not designed for how he has people using it) and them fudges with them when a customer see's an issue when data logging things and then asks why theres an issue......average customer who bought has no idea it does not work as its supposed to work.....average Wiz Bang customer installs and then never checks how things work...however, more and more tuners who are more savy are picking up on the BS.
Wiz Bang should stick to over glorified progressive controllers and check valves............and sales BS/Hype
To the OP you want a W/A system and not BS? Do you want a system that can be supported by somebody who ACTUALLY understands W/A, do you find that you what you want is past you budget, do yourself a big long term favor and buy A decent progressive W/A kit from DevilsOwn. If you want the very best in W/A systems available contact an Aquamist dealer and get the HFS-6 kit.
F.Y.I. Wiz Bang is known as the sleezzy salesman in the W/A industry.
F.Y.I. Wiz Bang is known as the sleezzy salesman in the W/A industry.
wow. You really have a chip on your shoulder. If you want to attack me go ahead. Our products and service stands on its own, nothing you can do or say is going to stop that. I stand by the statement that we have the best value in the industry.
To give you an example as to why you dont know what your talking about,
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How many very savy users have not picked up on the issues you have with the Super duper High Speed piece of poop you are pushing? Are you still trying to shim them on the backside to make them work against how they were designed to work by the manufacturer for another application all together
I never shimmed the S-HSV. What you are missing still after all these years is that we never bought a thing from Clippard. Clippard is NOT the manufacturer of our valve. Clippard licensed the technology of the "clippard valve" from the person who actually invented the valve. Maybe if you do a little more research you will understand this better. We bought our S-HSV valves from the INVENTOR not Clippard. The INVENTOR of the valves made our valves so they can handle 150 to 160 PSI so they would be better than the Clippard version.
Instead of attacking me you should discuss all the wonderful attributes of the English made system you like so much so the customer can understand how it works. I will do the same and the customer will decide.
Thanks again.
CM
Last edited by Coolingmist : 08-02-2009 at 10:20 AM.
Implying that your systems provides a better value based on cost alone, and another kit should not be bought is pure marketing BS
While knowing full well you are behind the curve in knowing what you are doing in comparison to another kit, you resort to playing the $$$ card. You play the dollar card on this forum because of the audience......................try playing the dollar card on another forum and see the response.
And on the valve.....................do you sell a valve that actually works as intended or have you actually found that the valve does not work and have tried to patch it rather then drop it................lets start with that then lets go further.
I know of tuners and people who are smart who have found issues with the valves you are pushing to users who do not know what to look for!!!!
Implying that your systems provides a better value based on cost alone, and another kit should not be bought is pure marketing BS
I dont consider value to be purely in cost benefit terms. I realize that weighs heavily on your mind, but not mine. In otherwords I consider my company to be the "value leader" not the "price leader". Its up for the customer to decide at the end of the day.
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While knowing full well you are behind the curve in knowing what you are doing in comparison to another kit, you resort to playing the $$$ card. You play the dollar card on this forum because of the audience......................try playing the dollar card on another forum and see the response.
I dont care about any other company or what they do. You think every company is "behind the curve" compared to your kit manufacturer and thats your choice. Our products stand on there own.
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And on the valve.....................do you sell a valve that actually works as intended or have you actually found that the valve does not work and have tried to patch it rather then drop it................lets start with that then lets go further.
Once again, you are so far out of touch taking about things you dont know anything about. We discontinued that valve about 6 months ago. The price was too much and with our new 250 psi pumps we did not find it necessary. There was nothing wrong with the valve system we decided to go in another direction. We never "patched" anything.
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I know of tuners and people who are smart who have found issues with the valves you are pushing to users who do not know what to look for!!!!
Lets go bring it on
we are pushing to users? Again, you need to get your facts staight.
I know of tuners that had issues with your kit maker as well. We get calls often. Whats your point?
You can continue to attack us or you can discuss the virtues of your kit maker of choice to help the customer decide on what he wants.
"Once again, you are so far out of touch taking about things you dont know anything about. We discontinued that valve about 6 months ago. The price was too much and with our new 250 psi pumps we did not find it necessary. There was nothing wrong with the valve system we decided to go in another direction. We never "patched" anything."
The way the valve was being used by you was flawed not the cost of the valve............YOU ARE AN OUTRIGHT LAIR
"Once again, you are so far out of touch taking about things you dont know anything about. We discontinued that valve about 6 months ago. The price was too much and with our new 250 psi pumps we did not find it necessary. There was nothing wrong with the valve system we decided to go in another direction. We never "patched" anything."
The way the valve was being used by you was flawed not the cost of the valve............YOU ARE AN OUTRIGHT LAIR
"I dont consider value to be purely in cost benefit terms. I realize that weighs heavily on your mind, but not mine. In otherwords I consider my company to be the "value leader" not the "price leader". Its up for the customer to decide at the end of the day."
What weighs heavy with me is that any time you have a question in how to address someone considering another kit you play the $$$ card........................you never try and play up or submit in detail how much better your kit actually works.
"I dont care about any other company or what they do. You think every company is "behind the curve" compared to your kit manufacturer and thats your choice. Our products stand on there own."
I do not think every other company is behind the curve. I think you are enhancing your kits with gadgets and playing up the gadgets in order to get some sort of image projected that you have something to offer to the user how wants a higher end kit.........via bushit you are trying get ahead of the curve.
The issue actually becomes does what you offer above the base progressive controller actually work better then whats offered by another kit maker................you play marketing games = wheres the actual beef.
"I dont consider value to be purely in cost benefit terms. I realize that weighs heavily on your mind, but not mine. In otherwords I consider my company to be the "value leader" not the "price leader". Its up for the customer to decide at the end of the day."
What weighs heavy with me is that any time you have a question in how to address someone considering another kit you play the $$$ card........................you never try and play up or submit in detail how much better your kit actually works.
Sure let me clue you in.
When we compare our kits we compare them to Devils Own, Snow Performance and others in this US segment. I have always discussed features of the product which makes ours better. What makes our CMGS kit for example a better value than the lower priced competitor on this forum is the fact that its also a boost gauge, voltage gauge, flow gauge, programmable and frankly unique. Instead of having a boost gauge, flow gauge, progressive controller, you have them all in one. The features and our customer service and when you factor that in with price is the value of our product. Its the features, programmability and convenience that differs our products from our competitors.
"I know of tuners that had issues with your kit maker as well. We get calls often. Whats your point?"
Point will follow when I write something up in detail.
As far as I know any issues were not where a feature or functionality was not as explainer or advertised. I do know where some flow sensors hit the streets that had failure issues.
On that lets see your flow sensor work good without a filter....................are you going to address the filtration issue when you have complaints or are you going to address the filtration issue because you know full well that its needed?
"You can continue to attack us or you can discuss the virtues of your kit maker of choice to help the customer decide on what he wants."
Its not an arbitrary off handed attack. I addressed the statement where you implied that other kits cost an arm and a leg.
In particular with regards to costs, how about the person who spent over $900 with you in hardware (not taking in labor or time) trying get what was promised to actually work?
You have kit components that get up there in cost but do not actually work. Yet you make marketing statements about how your offerings do not cost an arm and a leg.
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