Okay, seems to be a need for this. In keeping with the "Simple" thread tradition, PLEASE,PLEASE, take discusion offthread. These threads rapidly lose value if you have to wade through 5,493,252,395 posts where folks ask question or make comments.
There will be a similar Stage 3 HOM thread, do not report S3 results here
I repeat, NO discussion, just DATA. Format as follows, feel free to cut and paste the format and fill in your answers. Expect there to be some changes to format for the first wee, while I get feedback (PMs please) If a certan question does not apply to your setup, answer N/A.
Feel free to add a few lines describing your experience, but brevity rules. Keep is simple and clean. No rambling.
Second post will have the format. S3 thread will be up shortly, be patient.
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I used to own one of the first SRT-4s sold, bought it new in Feb 2003, sold it Nov 2006 with 75K and Stage 3. Now I drive a 2006 SRT-8 Charger.
Control Box set for start spray 5 psi and full spray at 12 psi,
225 ml/min nozzle
100% Methonal
240 psi pump (SET & 150 +/-)
Nozzle mounted 4" down from TB
Spike to 20 falls to 16
S2 W/toys
ED Hard pipe
TiAL BOV
Ice Man TB
MPX 3" Downpipe (no cat)
MPX 3" Exhaust
MSD Coil
MSD Wires
NGK plugs .040
AEM Cold Air
S2 WGA (AS MY FORGE HAS A TORN DIAPHRAM)
HOM info
HOM will hold in first, will hold in 2nd, will hold in 3rd but cuts in and out in 4th, HAVE NOT TRIED IN 5TH
Last edited by Casimer76522 : 10-06-2005 at 05:55 PM.
Significant mods (your wiper blades dont count):
Stage II w/toys, PSI-FI Power Paq, Fullybuilt ported turbo & manifold, Zeitronix wideband with options, and MaxFab Mopar/Borla turbo back exhaust
Kit Maker/Type:
Aquamist 2C with additional extra components
Nozzle size(s)/Location:
0.9 in the IC exit tank facing the core and a 0.7 in the cold side up pipe near the throttlebody after the IAT sensor
On point/ramp % / Full point:
tuned via a separate injection map in power paq
Fuel/additive used (specify summer/winter blend):
allways use 93 - 94 premium
1 gallon of cheap washer fluid/1 bottle of yellow HEET. Have not gotten to use it during winter yet....so will have to see if need to change...don't plan on using it much though
Environment (Temps/Altitude):
Average temp in NJ this summer was 75.6. Many, many hot days in the 80's and 90's
Don't now the altitude of central and northern NJ (drive in this area most)
Results summary:
Works like a charm in all gears, HOM switch activated every time I drive the car (which is usally everyday).
Last edited by turbojack : 10-08-2005 at 04:04 PM.
Environment (Temps/Altitude): 60 degrees farenheit, near sea level...
Results summary: Got pulled over by a cop.... haha... HOM in all gears, didn't test 5th because of the flashing lights in my rear view mirror. I'm running a custom version of the Devilsown kit, its still progressive, but it has a couple extra gizmos, which help increase atomization and make the DO kit more efficient... I'm running an M4 nozzle that sprays between 50 and 250 PSI..
Nozzle size(s)/Location:
1.0 (M1) Stage 1 Nozzle activated by boost switch/solenoid at 4psi (Nozzle is located as close as possible to the TB on the UPP and has a 90deg fitting inside the UPP to point the Nozzle Away from the TB.)
3.9 (M3) Stage 2 Nozzle activated by boost switch/solenoid at 14psi (Nozzle is located as close as possible to the IC End Tank on the UPP and has a 90deg fitting inside the UPP to point the Nozzle Towards the IC End Tank.)
On point/ramp % / Full point: No W/I controller is being used. Both Nozzles are active at 14psi.
Environment (Temps/Altitude): 32deg. (F), 28% Humidity, Pressure 30in., Dew Point 8deg (F), Altitude 341 ft / 104 m.
Results summary: HOM held 100% of the time through all Gears and Speeds of up to 130mph. Haven't tried it going faster than 130mph yet (not that it's needed at that speed). I tested it with successful results in DAB 2 and 3. I definately felt the increased performance. UPDATE 1: My First Results seemed to be working initially... but now it will not hold HOM at all. I'm going to try different mixtures, or maybe I just have a clogged nozzle or something. I'll post an update as soon as I get more results.
UPDATE 2: After I installed a (Pressure Snubbed) Water Pressure gauge from Devils-Own, I noticed my problem immidiately! I was only getting 60psi of pressure out of my 100psi pump. I was under the assumption that the pump had been preset to 100psi, but then I remembered I purchased the clearanced kit from coolingmist. So it probably was altered some time in the past. I adjusted the pump pressure to read anywhere from 80 to 100psi... Even with the pressure snubber on the gauge it will vary by about 10-20psi or so. Not to mention the boost pressure that counteracts the pump's pressure. Now I can officially hold HOM with my M1 nozzle activated at 4psi, my M3 nozzle activated at 13-14psi with 80-100psi pump pressure, and using only -20deg or even -30deg (either/or) Washer Fluid.
Nozzle size(s)/Location:
(M5) Nozzle (Nozzle is located as close as possible to the TB on the UPP and has a 90deg fitting inside the UPP to point the Nozzle towards the TB.)
On point/ramp % / Full point: On at 10 psi full at 15psi but soleniod make this almost obsolete. pressure switch set at 60 psi and once activated bounces up to 130 psi
I am having the same results as when I didn't have the NavySRT set-up and I didn't have a 90 degree fitting. I will try a smaller nozzle next maybe M4?
Car does feel stronger then ever with the W/I (out of HOM) but when I tried 92 oct and (HOM)I could actually hear the pinging
Nozzle size(s)/Location:
1.0 (M1) Stage 1 Nozzle activated by boost switch/solenoid at 4psi (Nozzle is located as close as possible to the TB on the UPP and has a 90deg fitting inside the UPP to point the Nozzle Away from the TB.)
3.9 (M3) Stage 2 Nozzle activated by boost switch/solenoid at 14psi (Nozzle is located as close as possible to the IC End Tank on the UPP and has a 90deg fitting inside the UPP to point the Nozzle Towards the IC End Tank.)
On point/ramp % / Full point: No W/I controller is being used. Both Nozzles are active at 14psi.
Environment (Temps/Altitude): 32deg. (F), 28% Humidity, Pressure 30in., Dew Point 8deg (F), Altitude 341 ft / 104 m.
Results summary: HOM held 100% of the time through all Gears and Speeds of up to 130mph. Haven't tried it going faster than 130mph yet (not that it's needed at that speed). I tested it with successful results in DAB 2 and 3. I definately felt the increased performance. UPDATE 1: My First Results seemed to be working initially... but now it will not hold HOM at all. I'm going to try different mixtures, or maybe I just have a clogged nozzle or something. I'll post an update as soon as I get more results.
UPDATE 2: After I installed a (Pressure Snubbed) Water Pressure gauge from Devils-Own, I noticed my problem immidiately! I was only getting 60psi of pressure out of my 100psi pump. I was under the assumption that the pump had been preset to 100psi, but then I remembered I purchased the clearanced kit from coolingmist. So it probably was altered some time in the past. I adjusted the pump pressure to read anywhere from 80 to 100psi... Even with the pressure snubber on the gauge it will vary by about 10-20psi or so. Not to mention the boost pressure that counteracts the pump's pressure. Now I can officially hold HOM with my M1 nozzle activated at 4psi, my M3 nozzle activated at 13-14psi with 80-100psi pump pressure, and using only -20deg or even -30deg (either/or) Washer Fluid.
UPDATE 3: Now that it's getting warmer out, I've noticed that the HOM doesn't hold nearly as often or as reliably as it did in the winter. I've substituded the M1 nozzle for an M5 (near the TB facing away from the TB) and currently have the M3 nozzle disconnected from the system. With just the M5 nozzle and 120psi max psi out of the 100psi pump, I can achieve a consistant HOM hold to redline in all gears if I wait till after 3200rpm in any gear before going WOT. The car feels much better now than it did before this update. It seems the M5 is the perfect nozzle. The problem I'm having now is trying to get it to hold HOM if I WOT before 3200rpm. BTW, my M5 turns full-on at ~10psi. I feel like I'm bogging the car if I WOT before 3200rpm, so I feel like maybe I can use the M3 or M1 in place of the M3, to hopefully hold HOM at the lower RPMs. I would set this nozzle to turn on at ~5-10psi and the M5 at ~15psi. Currently I'm also using the Greddy Profect B Spec II to run ~22psi spike and 16psi redline. I'll post an Update when I get the chance to setup the 2nd nozzle and switches.
Any statistics that show that S2 without toys can attain HOM power without toys? I have achieved 330 whp with S2 no toys with bolt ons and WI/Meth. Just curious. Sorry GLHS if I screw up your thread. It's been going on long enough now though. I think this could benefit other SRT owners. I must have the super stock turbo others have talked about. I do have a spare turbo and manifold just in case thoug.....
Update 4: (Hopefully My Last Update for a Coolingmist 2 Stage W/I Kit)
After a few weeks of waiting on a new hose fitting, I'm now able to run my 2 nozzles again. I'm currently running the M3 near the IC end tank (w/90deg facing the IC), and the M5 near the TB (w/90deg facing the temp sensor). My M3 has a boost switch that is set for 11psi and the M5 has its boost switch set to 16psi.
With these nozzles and settings using only -20deg blue windshield washing fluid, I can now hold HOM in any RPM/Speed/Gear. I have my water pressure gauge reading between 100 and 140psi when the system is spraying.
In my earlier testing, I was assuming I needed more Meth or more pressure or a lower boost switch setting. After several months of trying different things, I have come to the conclusion that holding HOM with S2 w/Toys requires a large quantity of fluid. Based on my fuel injector size, I've calculated that the combination of an M3 and an M5 is the most extreme nozzle configuration I could possibly run. I will be lowering my pump's pressure setting until the HOM kicks out, and then I will increase it a little to make sure I can hold HOM reliably without using too much pressure & flow. With the -20 deg washer fluid, I'm only using a 35% Meth to Water ratio. This means that more meth isn't always the best solution to maintaining HOM. I believe this may also hold true with the S3 w/Toys as well. I think it just needs a larger GPH nozzle configuration and more than likely a decent progressive controller. I would definately be using a Progressive controller so that I could get as much as possible from the W/I system, but right now it's a little out of my budget. That's why I have been trying my best to get the most out of a basic 2 Stage coolingmist W/I system. If anyone has any questions about my setup let me know, and I'll try my best to help you out.
Results summary: HOM holds in 1-4th (havent gone fast enough to try 5th) also pulling 2% on afac was pulling 7% but kept gettign kicked out so I will try ramping it up tell I start getting kicked again and then and meth to see if I can hold still with more pull for a heather AFR (maybe try ocatin boost to bring me up to a more respectable 93 octane)
Started pulls @ 3200 RPM
Boost: 19psi or 20psi falling to 15ish (hard to really tell with stock boost gauge
AFR: was 10.5-10.8
KR: highest I saw was 1.5 (anything over 4-5 it will kick me out)
EGT: after one full pull: 1300ish
AIT temp after one full pull: 60degrees (YA PTP FMIC!)
Timing: was 28-34degrees by redline (best I can get non hom is with sfac pulling 17% is33 degrees and it does not have the mid range and more Kr 5-6 don't know why but I love the feel of HOM!!!! woot)
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AEM EMS - GT3582R - DNP Manifold - Custom exahust - JM Fab Sheetmetal IM - Full Blown Duel Pump Fuel System - 925CC Inj - DCR Motor - Built Head (2 Exh & +1 Ink Valves, BC springs & retainers, BCS3 cams, Ported and Polished) - Built Trani - .... and many, many other things...
Last edited by ToMuchBoost : 10-10-2006 at 12:51 AM.
Significant mods (your wiper blades dont count): Stage2 w/Toys, MaxxFab 3" o2 housing, 3" MaxxFab TBE Side Exit
Kit Maker/Type: Coolingmist Stage1 with Vari-Cool Controller
Nozzle size(s)/Location: Single M10 placed 4" from intercooler cold side exit
On point/ramp % / Full point:5psi start, 13psi full/ ramps 7.5% starting at 5psi until 100% full on at 13psi using the tune feature
Fuel octane/additive used: ( specify summer/winter blend): 93 octane fuel/30 degree w/w fluid with 1 bottle of yellow heet.
Environment (Temps/Altitude):50 - 70 F
Results summary: Previously was running CM Stage 1 kit with single M5 and boost switch to come on @ 10 psi. Could only hold HOM 1, 2 & 3 & getting kicked out in top of 3rd gear on. Had same results with 8 gals of 100 octane.
After installing CM Vari-Cool controller, I can hold HOM in any gear, anytime, anywhere on 93 oct
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