New nozzle location is done, huge gains! - Page 3 - SRT Forums

Turbolag87 · 06-20-2009, 12:00 PM

i was supposed to test it out at the dyno but i havent recieved it yet for awhile now. My car goes to the dyno next week.

2004NeonSRT4 · 06-20-2009, 12:09 PM

i think they realized the flaw in this products design. and its a big one.

Adionik · 06-21-2009, 12:05 AM

The fact that it's after the IAT?

smokin-ricers · 06-21-2009, 07:44 PM

Direct port is after the IAT also so I don't think that is the problem.

I really think that the gains were not very great (if any) on the dyno (as they thought it would be) thus why they haven't pursued the the concept and not posted any numbers

2004NeonSRT4 · 06-21-2009, 11:47 PM

no theres a problem with it so much so that it cant be sold. i know because i did this to my car 4years ago.

ziggo0 · 06-22-2009, 05:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Blue_Streek

dude its really been like A MONTH and NO REAL numbers...no wonder the customer service isnt all that great.

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BDCarrillo · 06-23-2009, 02:39 PM

Just a couple questions:

What material is the insert? Brass? If so, galvanic corrosion can occur between the brass and aluminum spacer.

What was the system pressure and nozzle size used in testing? The ideal nozzle angle may be different for varying operating pressures and nozzle apertures.

Wouldn't it be more effective to develop a 45* horizontal, 20* vertical annular discharge nozzle that can be indexed to inject a parallel directional fan upstream? Just wondering...

ptperformance · 06-23-2009, 07:13 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BDCarrillo

Just a couple questions:

What material is the insert? Brass? If so, galvanic corrosion can occur between the brass and aluminum spacer.

What was the system pressure and nozzle size used in testing? The ideal nozzle angle may be different for varying operating pressures and nozzle apertures.

Wouldn't it be more effective to develop a 45* horizontal, 20* vertical annular discharge nozzle that can be indexed to inject a parallel directional fan upstream? Just wondering...

Yes brass, no corrosion can occur because we seal them with something (machine shop does this) that will keep them sealed from leaking and material incompatibility.

200 psi and M7 to M14 were tested. It is different per nozzle this is why we didn't run them at 45 degrees and why we didn't run them at 30 degrees

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There is a slight up angle to the nozzle but the 45 degree location didn't work like we had expected. The air flow into the manifold past the t-body upset the nozzle disscharge causing the fluild to wet out on the inner wall of the manifold. This we messed around with different angles from 38 to 30 degrees to find the best one that worked with the largest range of nozzles.

To design a new nozzle would take many 1000's of dollars to perfect. I am just tring to make use of what everyone already has on their car to make it better.

The design was based on a M10 nozzle but smaller and larger ones worked very well also.

ptperformance · 06-23-2009, 07:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Turbolag87

i was supposed to test it out at the dyno but i havent recieved it yet for awhile now. My car goes to the dyno next week.

Danny, this was sent out over a month ago. If you didn't get it then it would have been nice for you to contact us, testing was why we sent you one for free.

ptperformance · 06-23-2009, 07:18 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 2004NeonSRT4

no theres a problem with it so much so that it cant be sold. i know because i did this to my car 4years ago.

Ding, winner. It works but the car doesn't like to be taken off IAT cooling then have it turned back on when your sitting on the dyno. The results were not what we were expecting, but when we installed a M2 nozzle in the upp pipe and a M5 in the t-body, the gains were more then I would even try to sell here on the forums (over 50 WHP tuned). We simply took out the M7 that was in the UPP pipe and replaced that with the M5 and the M2. This combo tuned made more WHP and cut the knock down to a level that we were able to get into the high 12's for AFR's and did is safely without any knock. It was only when we started to tune for the 13 AFR's that we started to pick up knock.

I have to get a car tested with the nozzle above the IAT sensor so we can get back to back results. I feel that compairing a twin nozzle set up to a single nozzle set up is not a fair test, but if you want to try it let me know, we will get these added to the site. Thanks.

Turbolag87 · 06-23-2009, 08:27 PM

Ive been so busy working (work outside doing concrete) Recheck it and send it as my car should be done on friday from Fastrac.

BDCarrillo · 06-25-2009, 09:56 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by ptperformance

Yes brass, no corrosion can occur because we seal them with something (machine shop does this) that will keep them sealed from leaking and material incompatibility.

200 psi and M7 to M14 were tested. It is different per nozzle this is why we didn't run them at 45 degrees and why we didn't run them at 30 degrees

.

There is a slight up angle to the nozzle but the 45 degree location didn't work like we had expected. The air flow into the manifold past the t-body upset the nozzle disscharge causing the fluild to wet out on the inner wall of the manifold. This we messed around with different angles from 38 to 30 degrees to find the best one that worked with the largest range of nozzles.

To design a new nozzle would take many 1000's of dollars to perfect. I am just tring to make use of what everyone already has on their car to make it better.

The design was based on a M10 nozzle but smaller and larger ones worked very well also.

I know I've been a critic of your products before but it sounds like this one was solidly developed. It does fill a good market niche and the I actually think the price is fair on this one.

I'd just openly advertise the ideal nozzle/pressure range that worked best during development, and point out that it would probably work best in a dual nozzle application.

I'll just keep dreaming about my own funky constrained annular nozzle idea...

ptperformance · 06-25-2009, 02:45 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Turbolag87

Ive been so busy working (work outside doing concrete) Recheck it and send it as my car should be done on friday from Fastrac.

Will do, thanks.

ptperformance · 06-25-2009, 02:47 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BDCarrillo

I know I've been a critic of your products before but it sounds like this one was solidly developed. It does fill a good market niche and the I actually think the price is fair on this one.

I'd just openly advertise the ideal nozzle/pressure range that worked best during development, and point out that it would probably work best in a dual nozzle application.

I'll just keep dreaming about my own funky constrained annular nozzle idea...

Will do, and it does work best in a dual nozzle arrangement so this is how we are going to market it. Or, for the few that want to run something large like a M10 nozzle, this fills the needs of that application very well.

I like the new nozzle idea, but damn it would be tough to make and market something like this considering we are not a huge WI builder or retailer.

pphilps · 11-04-2009, 09:41 PM

Hey John,

Just wanted to see if you are making these yet.... I think I am going to grab a ported TB off of you and this would be perfect for my WI.

Thanks!