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Old 06-17-2008, 02:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default good spark plug for lots of meth?

i have a direct port of 4 m7's, i need a good heat range for it, so i would like to know what is out there, that works well with 100% meth.


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no one can recommend a good heat range and plug?


part number would be great.
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5107 2 step colder
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what brand and 2 step colder from what? or is 2 the heat range?
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what brand and 2 step colder from what? or is 2 the heat range?

NGK 5107 is 2 range colder than stock
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Nemo doesnt know?Im pretty sure I saw your car over there a couple times...
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well, none of their cars use meth, and he recommends the stock plug for his cars, then again all this cars run race gas tunes, no meth.
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Thats going to be a lot of meth. I can only count 3-4 guys running 10-12 gph. I don't know your mods etc, so i am giving blind advise. But i try to keep most wild srt to DO2-Do3 nozzle range on direct port installs.

You can make what you have work but your going to have to pull lots of fuel out of the stock system. Remember with this amount of meth your lambda is going to be less than gases 14.6 Could be under 10 with all the methanol. You should call who your bought your meth kit thur and ask them to figure that out for you if you don't know how.

But to answer your question about plugs. Generally 1-2 heat ranges from stock tends to work best on most all forced induction applications. You should look for the grey ring on the porcelain should line up in the middle of the porcelain that sticking out. And adjust the heat range of the plugs to move this.
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well its a built motor, 8.8:1 compression, ported head, cams, 44lb wheel stg3 externally gated, it put down 410whp at 18psi.

i have a devils own kit, it was single nozzle kit but i converted it to direct port, i originally had 4 m3 on it, but i was still getting knock at just 18psi, i went with the 4 m7 but it didnt make a difference.
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well its a built motor, 8.8:1 compression, ported head, cams, 44lb wheel stg3 externally gated, it put down 410whp at 18psi.

i have a devils own kit, it was single nozzle kit but i converted it to direct port, i originally had 4 m3 on it, but i was still getting knock at just 18psi, i went with the 4 m7 but it didnt make a difference.

Something else is causing the knock or false knock. No way in hell your setup needs 4 M7 nozzles. One M7 about drowns my car and I have to run about a 14.0 A/F to get it down to the 11s with meth on full blast.
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i think its the high compression and stg 0 ecu timing of 27*, im getting a stg2 ecu sometime next week, hopefully its low timing of 22* will help out, im doing all i can to get rid of the knock, reason why im looking for colder plugs, every little thing can help.
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have you thought that its just too much meth?......try a 50/50 mix and see if that helps.......too high of a concentrate of meth will cause the egt's to go thru the roof and prob cause the knock your seeing

and yeah 4 m7's is way too much.......i had no prob with a single m8 curing my knock.......had no clue the dyno numbers but it was trapping 120 so prob somewhere around 400
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egt's? as far as i know meth cools down the intake charge, so egt's would not be a problem, even if its too much meth it the extra meth would cool down the cylinder temperatures.

120 its proly 360 hp.
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egt's? as far as i know meth cools down the intake charge, so egt's would not be a problem, even if its too much meth it the extra meth would cool down the cylinder temperatures.

120 its proly 360 hp.

actually not.......water cools down the intake temps and lowers egt's.......meth helps take out the knock because it raises the octane level of the fuel in the combustion chamber.......but a 100% meth mix will actually raise egt's because meth burns very very very hot..........because of the hot hot burn it raises the egt's.......thats why almost every manufacture recomends to start with a 100% water mix and slow add in meth till the knock goes away and stop there......100% meth usually kills the pumps also......

well the car made 405-370 after the ems install on only 18 psi......when i ran the previous 120 mph runs it was on 24 psi but on a piggy back......now it runs 22 psi and goes 122-123 mph......and once i learn to shift again it will prob go some where between 11.5-11.70
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Eric on my Evo we used denatured alcohol instead. Denatured alcohol won't corrode anything, but it is a little more expensive. When I took it to Extreme that is what he told me to use, I ran the car for almost 2 years and never had any problems. Giz uses it in his car now too. The only problem with it is it's a little more expensive, but you can buy it at just about any hardware store
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