Aquamist gets portrayed by a certain vendor on here and elsewhere on the net as having kits that are much more expensive for users to buy into, but in all actuality they get full value for the money spent because monitoring and filtering, and the fail safe functionality, are not extra add on cost options.
The ONLY thing that can be said about the money issue with Aquamist kits is the exchange rate between the US dollar and the English pound. Aquamist has full control of the hardware and design but not the exchange rate.
What I'm driving at, because I'm familiar with the Aquamist kits I sometimes get contacted via email by people who were pointed to me by other people or tuners. Frequently when I'm contacted, the contact informs me that when Aquamist was mentioned during the conversation with a particular vendor they were told "Aquamist kits are over blown costly kits", they were given the "they are way over priced, do not bother I have better for less pitch". This person is a vendor on here boys and girls. His kits cost less, stuff at k-mart and wlamart cost less..................but that DOES NOT MEAN better value or infer quality.........actually the reverse is true.
I hate having to re-educate a person so as to at least have the person get to point where they know enough to make an informed decision...................they have hard info not hyperbole and fluff that clouds new W/A users heads.
This same vendor on here was monitoring Devilsown forum on this website and then PM'ed potential Devils own customers who were doing kit researching in the Devilsown forum. I'm not making this up, this jerk is NOT a W/A enthusiast, he's a sneaky cut throat business man. You buy his hardware = you encourage via feeding him to continue on without scruples.
If people can not yet tell, I'm getting more and more fed up with the BS by a certain vendor on here that gets people on the net to buy into a flawed system though dopey sales techniques to people who think they are getting something they are not.
yea, i have had customers in the past complain about getting unsolicited emails from others vendors. Some of us must have to much time on our hands. I guess he is still up to his old tricks.
You know chance I really do not see why him or someone like him would need to do something like that. When a person does something like that I know they are more then just a fud'ked up in that one way.
I'm going to spread the word in this section that his existing users and any of his potential customers need to drill him for valid answers AND to not accept vague answers as a result...........I'm going to make a point out of this.
People do not care about him being underhanded and a snake.................well fine at least he will have to cut out the BS when it comes to technical issues, I'll brutalize him right here for everyone to see if he does not.
This thread does not suprise me at all. 2 of my competitors, who should be suprised?
Just to clear a few things up.
Chance. Why not post names of the users that I supposedly gave unsolicited sales pitches to. I am at a complete loss for this so your story is going to have to be good. Anything that is in the methanol section is fair game. I reply to any thread I see. I dont hang out in your forum and I dont contact your customers. I dont appreciate the inference.
Jack. you are also parnoid. Why not post the names of the tuners that I supposedly said "Aquamist kits are over blown costly kits". I have never used the term "Overblown". Fact of the matter is, I would have every right to and if I did say such a thing I would be glad to tell you I did. I almost never get a call with anyone mentioning the word "Aquamist". Its very rare, maybe 2 times a year. Even though we fight alot we draw from 2 different customer bases and frankly only overlap a little. Translation, I really dont care.
In 2006 I did go into Devils own forum and I did see a thread about someone wanting a kit and I DID send him a PM. I never deny that. I have not done it since.
On the other hand, Devilsown has at one point completely copied word for word our warranty page just changing coolingmist to Devils own. They copied pictures of certain tanks and at one point just over a year ago they posted completely false information about our pump on their website. They would not remove it until I threaten to have my attorney send him a letter (which was being drafted).
I have been attacked left and right over the last few years. Lets discuss a few. My website as hacked by one of Aquamists customers. And then he posts on the Aquamist website and the SRT forum acting like he was an innocent victim. Then Devilsown takes advantage in a thread saying how we did this, this and that. The hackker then tried to extort us for money. There was never any personal data at risk and I fixed the issue.
A customer started a thread at once saying that my kit started a fire in his car an destroyed his $50,000 car because of poor quality. After about 25 or 30 pages it turned out to be a very good friend/employee of Alkycontrol who made the story up to make us look bad. The owner of Alkycontrol denied any knowledge of this event and I accepted that.
Many tests have been done in the past with completely in-accurate basis and claiming it was our product. For example taking a checkvalve with a 25 psi cracking pressure and putting it on a 60 psi pump and using our controller and comparing it to an aquamist kit back in 2006.
I can go on and on. I can also tell you that I work my ass of for my customers. I take phone calls for them 7 days a week. I answer my emails and posts all hours of the day and night. I am nothing less than completely honest with my customers and the way I approach my business. When you become as successful as we have, many people try to knock you down. I am used to it.
I am not going to appologize to you or anyone else for the way I conduct my business. You can call me a snake oil salesman all you want. I discuss my products with my potential customers and they choose if they want to order or not. To say I dont answer questions about our products is crazy. By a LANDSLIDE we have the most views and the most posts of any thread in the methanol section and one of the most posted/views on this entire forum website.
I can and will answer any technical questions about OUR product. This is what I do and what I have done for years. I dont owe YOU turbojack (Aquamist supporter/sales rep) or you Chance (Devilsown) any explanation. Anything I post in this thread is for the beneifit of my customers who happen to read it.
I am 100% confident that MY customers know the type of person I am. Its sad to see a thread like this, but when you look at who is posting in it, its not suprising.
Dave you went into Chances section and trolled his for posts and you contacted his users. You admitted to this publicly when questioned, you have conveniently forgotten things as they actually happened because now at this point is does look bad.
You are a total snake, PERIOD, If only for just this one personal flaw.
The tuners and users who I'm referring to do not wish to participate in online trash talking sessions. If you have tuners or customers who you no longer sell kits to, then you can assume its them.
How about the tweaked dyno you used to promote your kits online on your website. Have you forgotten about that. Right it was the tuner who did that not you, the tuner edited your web page and the tuner was in here pointing people to it. And when you get called out for it, you profess innocence in that you were not responsible..............ah yeah that holds water.
David unless theres a thread/post in here that has a hint of a sale you do not participate. SAME AS WITH EVERY OTHER FORUM.
If the discussion is technical in any manner and its not based on a sale YOU ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND. and again SAME AS WITH EVERY OTHER FORUM
And, why is it that your users are the most uniformed users here as well as EVERY OTHER FORUM ON THE NET . Is it because you spend too much time being the snake oil salesman and not enough time educating? NO, you are a dummy when it comes to technical discussions, so you resort to what you can do and thats being a snake oil salesmen.
Dave you went into Chances section and trolled his for posts and you contacted his users. You admitted to this publicly when questioned, you have conveniently forgotten things as they actually happened because now at this point is does look bad.
USER not USERS and I never denied it, ever. It happened.
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You are a total snake, PERIOD, If only for just this one personal flaw.
I will let my customers the judge that. I dont care what you (an aquamist sales person/supporter) think.
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The tuners and users who I'm referring to do not wish to participate in online trash talking sessions.
because they dont exist.
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How about the tweaked dyno you used to promote your kits online on your website. Have you forgotten about that. Right it was the tuner who did that not you, the tuner edited your web page and the tuner was in here pointing people to it. And when you get called out for it, you profess innocence in that you were not responsible..............ah yeah that holds water.
I HAVE NEVER TWEAKED ANY DYNO SHEET EVER. I HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF ANY DYNO BEING TWEAKED. I WOULD NEVER POST ANYTHING THAT I KNEW WAS TWEAKED OR ALTERED. I WOULD NOT RISK IT.
this is the type of a thing though that you would like everyoen to believe.
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David unless theres a thread/post in here that has a hint of a sale you do not participate. SAME AS WITH EVERY OTHER FORUM.
wrong, I support my customers. if a customer asks something about a kit they have that is not mine, I dont care about it. if they bought my kit and ask a question I answer it.
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If the discussion is technical in any manner and its not based on a sale YOU ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND. and again SAME AS WITH EVERY OTHER FORUM
And, why is it that your users are the most uniformed users here as well as EVERY OTHER FORUM ON THE NET . Is it because you spend too much time being the snake oil salesman and not enough time educating? NO, you are a dummy when it comes to technical discussions, so you resort to what you can do and thats being a snake oil salesmen.
Oh, ok. Good to know. I like to know where I stand. Im sure my users appreciate your post. Funny thing is, you have zero basis to say that my users are the most uninformed. We have a more informative website than anyone else (devils own is not bad either). I answer all of my customers questions. Do you want to see how many emails I get in a day/month? Its not pretty. I actually have a real company to run. When I see a customer asking a question "Hey im looking for a kit" yes I am going to respond. If a customer has a problem with OUR kit yes I am going to respond. If a customer says "hey I have a non coolingmist kit and I cant get my what ever to work right" I am not likely to respond as its not my issue.
Im glad I had the chance to discuss this with you.
Chance, I dont hold a grudge with the pump, copywrite or slander issue. Those were in the past.
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Don't try to play all innocent. I have had others tell me about getting unsolicited emails from you. So i know your still doing it. I just have not brought it up. So if he brought it up he caught wind of it else ware because i have not spoke about it since talking to Ekool about It.
About the pump deal. I guess you just don't remember but it was a side by side comparison of your "special black pump" That you ran around and told eveyone that it was so special and was methanol compatible. When i took it apart it still had viton parts. Eveyone knows viton is not methanol compatible. I can still got all the data in can post it up if you don't agree with what i said? I just didn't feel like flaming you in public.
Not sure about the slander deal. Remember slander is only if its false. I got better things to do than make up things. So saying aquimist hacked your site could be considered slanderd.
Aquimist testing videos you complain about, Yes i agrea with you they are imo missleading. Comparing apples to oranges.
And about your website getting hacked. I got 3-4 screen shots someone emailed me showing proof of your site hacked. They even sent me a how-to do it. But they sent me more than just the 1 thats posted on Aquimist forum. So i would ques it was someone else and they just wanted me to fuel the fire. Which i never did because i flat don't like the drama. You can let you site get hack and customers data get compromised all you want, I am not worried because you don't have my cc numbers.
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Don't try to play all innocent. I have had others tell me about getting unsolicited emails from you. So i know your still doing it. I just have not brought it up. So if he brought it up he caught wind of it else ware because i have not spoke about it since talking to Ekool about It.
BULL. I only send PMS and emails to those that post in this forum. I dont go into your forum. You think I have? Prove it. Tell me who I did this with. Its easy for you to make accusiations, but you cant back it up.
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About the pump deal. I guess you just don't remember but it was a side by side comparison of your "special black pump" That you ran around and told eveyone that it was so special and was methanol compatible. When i took it apart it still had viton parts. Eveyone knows viton is not methanol compatible. I can still got all the data in can post it up if you don't agree with what i said? I just didn't feel like flaming you in public.
You took our pump from a year earlier that had Viton seals. The one we were running in production was EPDM once I corrected you , you still refused to remove it. You made it look like the pump WE WERE SELLING at that time was viton and it was not. Thats where the problem was.
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Not sure about the slander deal. Remember slander is only if its false. I got better things to do than make up things. So saying aquimist hacked your site could be considered slanderd.
show me where I said Aquamist hacked my site. please show me. I never said that. I know you cant spell, but I thought you could read. Please re-read and correct your statement.
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Aquimist testing videos you complain about, Yes i agrea with you they are imo missleading. Comparing apples to oranges.
And about your website getting hacked. I got 3-4 screen shots someone emailed me showing proof of your site hacked. They even sent me a how-to do it. But they sent me more than just the 1 thats posted on Aquimist forum. So i would ques it was someone else and they just wanted me to fuel the fire. Which i never did because i flat don't like the drama. You can let you site get hack and customers data get compromised all you want, I am not worried because you don't have my cc numbers.
There you go again. As I said customer data was never at risk. The only thing the customer was able to do was change the data in our NEWS SECTION and change the product data. Customer data was never at risk. As stated, that was corrected and the site cannot be hacked now. Live and learn.
Not everything you have been up to, is up for all to see because some of the players involved do not wish to be named on the web or would like to have the exact details be known to all. But I can tell you that via phone calls and emails with some concerned I can say that you look and smell like dog poop to more then just Aquamist and Devilsown.
You also have burned bridges with some of your resellers as well. I know that some of your re-sellers have complained about having to compete with you. You have an unfair advantage with your re-sellers when you offer discounts to people who are kit shopping. While you have no active sale price being advertised you will sell to a person at a sale price directly. The re-sellers can not price out a kit with the assurance that they will not be undercut by you if the seller contacts you directly. You play nice don't you.................yeah right, your'e a bastard...............I have not seen you post AT LEAST ONE TIME on the web pointing a potential sale to one of your resellers!!!!!!!!!!
You have no qualms about exploiting people, you are out for you own personal gain in profit and nothing is truly built on doing it from an enthusiast point of view with making a honest living at what you like. What you like is the money side at the expense of anyone else.
Theirs no checks or balances with you, you are like rouge un-controlled opportunistic pirate when there a chance for a kit sale. If you look at it logically the buyer actually suffers if he/she wants more then just a low cost kit and thats it.
If a buyer needs educating on W/A injection which can not be charged for, you take no part...................proof is in the pudding to anyone that reads the different W/A injection threads on the web. Instead of keeping your kit sales in your forum...............you come in here and like a puppy dog shit all over the place.
Go into the other sections on the site, how many well respected vendors are shitting up the engine and turbo section.............pick a section that is not a vendor section and point to me where theres vendors consistently plugging/pushing for sales at the expense of actually informing the buyer of how things work.
Too many people with your W/A kits are totally un informed...................and you have no clue why because you are totally focused on the sale and nothing else.
thanks again for your kind words. I take comfort in several things
1) I take care of my customers.
2) I spend alot of money to develop our products so our customers and company will benefit
3) I offer great value for our customers
Thats what it comes down to for me. Customers want a great product at a great price and that what we offer. i dont owe you any thing.
For what its worth, Im such a monster but you helped create me. In 2004 on my 2nd month here I almost quit this forum and you bought a kit from me. That kept me on here and we took off from there. Thank you for that. I can sleep well at night.
Chance,
I know we have our differences on many things and will continue to do so but I think you have a solid product and offer a nice value to your customers as well. Believe what you want, but I have not gone into your forum and PM and of your customers since that dark day in 2006.
I do offer you congratulations on the growth of your business. Its been great all around, being in a recession proof industry is awesome.
Well sleep on the fact that because the kit sucked so bad I bought an Aquamist kit and have not looked back. What drugs are you taking?
I like others did not fully read before buying. also the kit was on for maybe a month
You may win though since I did just get a notice of impending ban If I do not stop.
IMO keep you kit sales hawking in your own section...........IMO if you are in this section pushing kits you are fair game and open to criticism............harsh if I think you are full of it.
Well sleep on the fact that because the kit sucked so bad I bought an Aquamist kit and have not looked back. What drugs are you taking?
I like others did not fully read before buying. also the kit was on for maybe a month
You may win though since I did just get a notice of impending ban If I do not stop.
IMO keep you kit sales hawking in your own section...........IMO if you are in this section pushing kits you are fair game and open to criticism............harsh if I think you are full of it.
Calling me a "moron", "snake oil salesman" and other things my values say not to repeat is not criticism its down right ignorant. I have a right to "push" my kits. If you dont like them, thats your choice but leave the name calling out of it and get your facts straight because 85% of what you said is pure bull.
FWIW, I agree the kit was not very pretty back then. All things evolve.
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