Fist off BlackSRT, thanks for all the information, its really really helpful. Now for my question.
I do plan on going Stage 3, and you say that the Stage 3 PCM adds a lot of timing, which im not to keen on. However, im much more of a saftey guy when it comes to High Horsepower cars. I do plan on "Modding" the Stage 3 turbo, and exhaust manifold, then all supporting "Mods". Is a return line a better option for a Stage 3, or is all the excess fuel controlled well enough by the Stage 3 PCM.
Really would like to know. I understand the principle behind a Return line. I just want to know if its usefull for a Stage 3 car.
Thank you
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lots of people will tell you that it is a great mod to do with any big turbo kit, or even for stock turbo for that matter.... this may be the most important supporting mod....
im so guilty of this!!!! i guess by all definitions i am a newb, the term doesnt offend me like it does to others, i mean you gotta start somewhere, nobody is born learned, we all learn as we grow and grow as we learn, thats why everyday i bombard this forum with questions or request, some may appear stupid to some people but when i know all i need to know and see young kids going into forums like this with thousands of questions ill be here willing to answer a thousand ond one, but untill then ill continue to make stupid questions.
like this, this is my first turbo charged car so please keep that in mind.
when running a stage 0 pcm (wich i want to keep) and stage 0 injectors (i have and 03 , bougth it used a few months ago) but want to run more boost, lets say 18-19 i hear is the max the u can get out effitienly of the stock turbo, what is a good combo?
-what stage injectors? 1? 2, do u realy need injectors that big with the stock turbo and if u have the return line kit?
-we have already stablish the usefullness of the reurn line. whats next? how do u set it up for your injector size.
-how bout the map clamp? i've seen them on ebay for $20, but i know is not plug and play, how the hell u tune this so u can get it to work rigth?
-i guess for the fuel pump the walbro is the way to go.
thanks in advance to all the members for ur help, AND PATIENCE
To answer your question, yes you can run 18 maybe even 19, you would need atleast S1 injectors... without the S1 PCM, you are going to experience something horrible called PTB (part throttle boost)... you are going to hate it, it may actually ruin some of the fun for you... you are constantly going to think that there is something wrong with the car...
If you want to just keep simple, Buy the whole S1 kit and do an AGP WGA for a little bit of tunability... you will like this setup... mind you, you will still have PTB but not nearly as bad...
Point of the story is, IMO you don't absolutely need a fuel return kit, it would just be nice (if you had $383 laying around in your paypal that you could send Aaron) ....
im so guilty of this!!!! i guess by all definitions i am a newb, the term doesnt offend me like it does to others, i mean you gotta start somewhere, nobody is born learned, we all learn as we grow and grow as we learn, thats why everyday i bombard this forum with questions or request, some may appear stupid to some people but when i know all i need to know and see young kids going into forums like this with thousands of questions ill be here willing to answer a thousand ond one, but untill then ill continue to make stupid questions.
Nothing wrong with asking .. like you said.. that's how everyone learns.. if you dont ask.. you'll never know. Yes sometimes you'll find people who are selfish and wont help you.. but I think that's very rare in this forum.
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when running a stage 0 pcm (wich i want to keep) and stage 0 injectors (i have and 03 , bougth it used a few months ago) but want to run more boost, lets say 18-19 i hear is the max the u can get out effitienly of the stock turbo, what is a good combo?
AGP wategate actuator, Stage 1 Injectors (which if you need i have a set hit me up on the PM i'll let them go cheap), Turbo Xs boost controller, Exhaust , AGP intake system and AGP Intercooler (not the race), A map clamp or an AFC would do unless in your near future you'll go big turbo then i would suggest an Emanage.
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-what stage injectors? 1? 2, do u realy need injectors that big with the stock turbo and if u have the return line kit?
This is your next step Fuel pump and fuel return, for this you'll really need an AFC, map clamp or Emanage like i said before. car will benefit alot from this trust me.
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-we have already stablish the usefullness of the reurn line. whats next? how do u set it up for your injector size.
Setting the fuel pressure and adjusting it with an AFC , map clamp or Emanage. basic tuning at a dyno unless you are brave to speed on the streets and you have a wideband .
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-how bout the map clamp? i've seen them on ebay for $20, but i know is not plug and play, how the hell u tune this so u can get it to work rigth?
On a dyno, or with a wideband, and a volt meter on the street. You have to set the voltage as close to 4.2v as possible without leaning out.
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-i guess for the fuel pump the walbro is the way to go.
Yes for stock turbo, or no more then 490whp applications they do the job.
Fist off BlackSRT, thanks for all the information, its really really helpful. Now for my question.
I do plan on going Stage 3, and you say that the Stage 3 PCM adds a lot of timing, which im not to keen on. However, im much more of a saftey guy when it comes to High Horsepower cars. I do plan on "Modding" the Stage 3 turbo, and exhaust manifold, then all supporting "Mods". Is a return line a better option for a Stage 3, or is all the excess fuel controlled well enough by the Stage 3 PCM.
Really would like to know. I understand the principle behind a Return line. I just want to know if its usefull for a Stage 3 car.
Thank you
with toys or with out?
would u take suggestions?
if yes,AGP Wastegate, AGP front mount (race), return kit, emanage, i'm sure you'll have an exaust by then and an intake system.
tuning is the key , the stage 3 kits come a little bit too rich so adjusting the fuel will gain some power accross the power band.
Don't forget in regards to the timing issue for deadhead systems that not all piggybacks alter the airflow signal some control IPW which wouldn't alter timing. I suggest getting a return line for drivability issues with oversized injectors though. It greatly improves fuel response and makes it much easier for the tuner.
Most if no all of the piggybacks for this car alter airflow (MAP) signal. But I do agree on getting a return line as a 1st mod. You wont need bigger injectors unless you have the need for more fuel (ie. 330-350+whp)
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