surge tank option - SRT Forums

mattewhite04 · 11-20-2012, 01:45 AM

currently have an in tank 044 with ID1000s doing e85.
Thinking about keeping the 044 intank and doing a intergrated engineering surge tank with built in 044 to Agp 1400cc. my goal is maxing my turbo out on e which is around 480-500.Is this overkill or will an 044 in tank and 1400s do.

SRiceaTer4 · 11-20-2012, 10:38 AM

Im pretty sure one 044 will do for that power level, I'm going with there dual 044 surge tank setup just so I never have to upgrade my fuel system ever lol 400 to 800 don't matter ill be good.

**1LAPSRT** · 11-20-2012, 10:50 AM

I am using an IE single pump surge tank running E90 thru DW1300's making ~610whp. You can't feed a surge tank with a Walbro pump because there is no pressure on the line and they don't work without it. I have a DW301 pump in-tank and it works great. Deatschwerks is introducing a line of surge tanks as well in Q1 2013.

SRiceaTer4 · 11-20-2012, 10:54 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 1LAPSRT

I am using an IE single pump surge tank running E90 thru DW1300's making ~610whp. You can't feed a surge tank with a Walbro pump because there is no pressure on the line and they don't work without it. I have a DW301 pump in-tank and it works great. Deatschwerks is introducing a line of surge tanks as well in Q1 2013.

So I can't use the stock pump to feed the surge? I've been wanting to pm you about this cause I knew you were using this setup. Thanks

**1LAPSRT** · 11-20-2012, 10:56 AM

Nope. Without any pressure on the line the Walbro just spits and sputters. Unless I got a bad one, but it was a brand new HP 255.

a853rox · 11-20-2012, 11:30 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 1LAPSRT

Nope. Without any pressure on the line the Walbro just spits and sputters. Unless I got a bad one, but it was a brand new HP 255.

You may have had a bad pump Doug.

I have a 255 in tank, feeding a surge tank containing an A1000 in it and have not had any issues with the 255....

enginjoe · 11-20-2012, 01:47 PM

I'm thinking bad pump too.

OP: That will be way more fuel that you need to get to 500, but it will leave you room to grow.

trinity_rush2001 · 11-23-2012, 07:49 PM

radium auto also makes surge tanks and also
Radium Store

034motorsports
Fully Enclosed FP34 044 Fuel Surge Tank - 034Motorsport | Performance Parts for Audi, Porsche, and Volkswagen

if you want to look at other designs

Wonderer876 · 11-23-2012, 10:11 PM

I agree with bad pump as well. Mine os setup that way and so is Jt among many others.

jtm0n3y · 11-23-2012, 10:36 PM

Well it depends on how Doug had his setup - was he still using the stock FPR/Filter? If so, there was pressure in the line from that. If he was trying to feed a surge tank through a bottleneck fixed canister with a 255 in it then I couldn't really tell you how well that will work.

I'm using a 255 with stock feed line and FPR/Filter all the way to the front of the car then it's adapted to a -6an male end off the stock 5/16 hard line and from there it runs into the surge tank. No problems at all!

Braindead · 11-23-2012, 10:55 PM

There is another option to Integrated Engeneering. Might want to take a look at 034motorsports. I have one that I will be installing next week.

Fully Enclosed FP34 044 Fuel Surge Tank - 034Motorsport | Performance Parts for Audi, Porsche, and Volkswagen

Sorry Trinity didn't see ur post

jtm0n3y · 11-23-2012, 11:13 PM

Buy a surge tank from turbo666 ... exact replica of my setup. Then just run your pumps external.

SRiceaTer4 · 11-24-2012, 07:41 AM

I'd rather have the pumps submerged, keeps the pumps cooler and less noise. Plus it takes up less room.

mattewhite04 · 11-24-2012, 09:49 AM

^ True ill see if i can max out the single 044+ ID1000s first. replacing my sock from a jay racing to the mesh steel sock from fuelab to see if it fixes my lean issues.

Racerxvsspeedracer · 11-25-2012, 06:54 PM

Does anyone know the fuel tank sending unit opening?I.D in."
Lot's of options.. surge/sump and many ways to do both.
I want it for road racing, I'd like to use a bigger tank like 16gal.
So I don't like most of the surge tanks out there, the sump would work perfect with a steel fuel tank. Like the one the 1st gen neon uses... and it would be a baffle sump with 2 external fuel pumps. I like one surge tank out there, the rest seem to be $$ suckers IMO

11-20-2012, 01:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
mattewhite04 SRTforums Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Member Number: 76009 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 569	surge tank option currently have an in tank 044 with ID1000s doing e85. Thinking about keeping the 044 intank and doing a intergrated engineering surge tank with built in 044 to Agp 1400cc. my goal is maxing my turbo out on e which is around 480-500.Is this overkill or will an 044 in tank and 1400s do. __________________ BW255 .48ar 28psi, 100% E85 full bolt-ons, built motor/CNC head

11-20-2012, 10:38 AM	#2 (permalink)
SRiceaTer4 SRTforums Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Member Number: 12671 Location: Mass Posts: 1,530	Im pretty sure one 044 will do for that power level, I'm going with there dual 044 surge tank setup just so I never have to upgrade my fuel system ever lol 400 to 800 don't matter ill be good. __________________ Black 04 SRT-4 RED 02 Neon ES = Daily driver.

11-20-2012, 10:50 AM	#3 (permalink)
1LAPSRT Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month 2011 Calendar Car Join Date: Feb 2006 Member Number: 38267 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 8,690	I am using an IE single pump surge tank running E90 thru DW1300's making ~610whp. You can't feed a surge tank with a Walbro pump because there is no pressure on the line and they don't work without it. I have a DW301 pump in-tank and it works great. Deatschwerks is introducing a line of surge tanks as well in Q1 2013. __________________ *** Modern Performance SRT4 - Dominating the road race community for over 5 years! 2012 MPx SRT4 Racing and Event schedule: http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f77/...2012-a-627265/ Get your fix of SRT-4 racing here : www.WindspeedMotorsports.com

11-20-2012, 10:54 AM	#4 (permalink)
SRiceaTer4 SRTforums Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Member Number: 12671 Location: Mass Posts: 1,530	Quote: Originally Posted by 1LAPSRT I am using an IE single pump surge tank running E90 thru DW1300's making ~610whp. You can't feed a surge tank with a Walbro pump because there is no pressure on the line and they don't work without it. I have a DW301 pump in-tank and it works great. Deatschwerks is introducing a line of surge tanks as well in Q1 2013. So I can't use the stock pump to feed the surge? I've been wanting to pm you about this cause I knew you were using this setup. Thanks __________________ Black 04 SRT-4 RED 02 Neon ES = Daily driver.

11-20-2012, 10:56 AM	#5 (permalink)
1LAPSRT Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month 2011 Calendar Car Join Date: Feb 2006 Member Number: 38267 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 8,690	Nope. Without any pressure on the line the Walbro just spits and sputters. Unless I got a bad one, but it was a brand new HP 255. __________________ *** Modern Performance SRT4 - Dominating the road race community for over 5 years! 2012 MPx SRT4 Racing and Event schedule: http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f77/...2012-a-627265/ Get your fix of SRT-4 racing here : www.WindspeedMotorsports.com

11-20-2012, 11:30 AM	#6 (permalink)
a853rox SRTforums Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Member Number: 1907 Location: In the shop! Posts: 3,588	Quote: Originally Posted by 1LAPSRT Nope. Without any pressure on the line the Walbro just spits and sputters. Unless I got a bad one, but it was a brand new HP 255. You may have had a bad pump Doug. I have a 255 in tank, feeding a surge tank containing an A1000 in it and have not had any issues with the 255.... __________________ Your Turbo, Cylinder head, and performance experts! Bob Schreiber Owner, Form and Function Performance LLC Product Development, Cylinder head specialist for RavenWorks LLC 612-385-0419

11-20-2012, 01:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
enginjoe SRTforums Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Member Number: 3797 Location: Tucson Posts: 5,149	I'm thinking bad pump too. OP: That will be way more fuel that you need to get to 500, but it will leave you room to grow. __________________ 2003 SRT-4 Silver, AGP GT3076R on E85 DD! Was 478hp/508tq ----> Now ??? 2002 Camaro SS M6, going N/A...

11-23-2012, 07:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
trinity_rush2001 SRTforums Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Member Number: 74277 Location: Texas Posts: 1,120	radium auto also makes surge tanks and also Radium Store 034motorsports Fully Enclosed FP34 044 Fuel Surge Tank - 034Motorsport \| Performance Parts for Audi, Porsche, and Volkswagen if you want to look at other designs

11-23-2012, 10:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
Wonderer876 Vendor Join Date: Jan 2006 Member Number: 37310 Location: Spring hill, TN Posts: 4,008	I agree with bad pump as well. Mine os setup that way and so is Jt among many others. __________________ Pm me for your performance modified clutch fork,Big turbo and oiling port needs.thumbsup: I buy clutch fork cores.[/B] http://Wikyd-performance.com

11-23-2012, 10:36 PM	#10 (permalink)
jtm0n3y Premium Member SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2006 Member Number: 45372 Location: Grove City, PA Posts: 3,549	Well it depends on how Doug had his setup - was he still using the stock FPR/Filter? If so, there was pressure in the line from that. If he was trying to feed a surge tank through a bottleneck fixed canister with a 255 in it then I couldn't really tell you how well that will work. I'm using a 255 with stock feed line and FPR/Filter all the way to the front of the car then it's adapted to a -6an male end off the stock 5/16 hard line and from there it runs into the surge tank. No problems at all! __________________ PM Wonderer876 for all your clutch fork, porting, and powder coating needs. Purchase online at Wikyd-Performance.com Like us on Facebook! You're retarded if you don't contact Sir Nigel Alexander/Turbo666 for Diablo Sport/CMR tuning.

11-23-2012, 10:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
Braindead SRTforums Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Member Number: 63012 Location: Nowhere Posts: 117	There is another option to Integrated Engeneering. Might want to take a look at 034motorsports. I have one that I will be installing next week. Fully Enclosed FP34 044 Fuel Surge Tank - 034Motorsport \| Performance Parts for Audi, Porsche, and Volkswagen Sorry Trinity didn't see ur post Last edited by Braindead; 11-23-2012 at 11:38 PM.

11-23-2012, 11:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
jtm0n3y Premium Member SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2006 Member Number: 45372 Location: Grove City, PA Posts: 3,549	Buy a surge tank from turbo666 ... exact replica of my setup. Then just run your pumps external. __________________ PM Wonderer876 for all your clutch fork, porting, and powder coating needs. Purchase online at Wikyd-Performance.com Like us on Facebook! You're retarded if you don't contact Sir Nigel Alexander/Turbo666 for Diablo Sport/CMR tuning.

11-24-2012, 07:41 AM	#13 (permalink)
SRiceaTer4 SRTforums Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Member Number: 12671 Location: Mass Posts: 1,530	I'd rather have the pumps submerged, keeps the pumps cooler and less noise. Plus it takes up less room. __________________ Black 04 SRT-4 RED 02 Neon ES = Daily driver.

11-24-2012, 09:49 AM	#14 (permalink)
mattewhite04 SRTforums Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Member Number: 76009 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 569	^ True ill see if i can max out the single 044+ ID1000s first. replacing my sock from a jay racing to the mesh steel sock from fuelab to see if it fixes my lean issues. __________________ BW255 .48ar 28psi, 100% E85 full bolt-ons, built motor/CNC head

11-25-2012, 06:54 PM	#15 (permalink)
Racerxvsspeedracer SRTforums Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32196 Location: I'm #UNO Sucka Posts: 3,039	Does anyone know the fuel tank sending unit opening?I.D in." Lot's of options.. surge/sump and many ways to do both. I want it for road racing, I'd like to use a bigger tank like 16gal. So I don't like most of the surge tanks out there, the sump would work perfect with a steel fuel tank. Like the one the 1st gen neon uses... and it would be a baffle sump with 2 external fuel pumps. I like one surge tank out there, the rest seem to be $$ suckers IMO __________________ 17x8 245/40/17 ST40 BBK Project TRAIN DONE!11/13/09 04 -E-85 Ported Stock Turbo,Stock cams&Head,Stock Motor,Safc Neo 329.69Hp, 395.77Tq STD 297Hp@6K 320.87Hp, 385.18Tq SAE WTB Locked DSP,Built 5speed,SCT Prp

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