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Chief · 01-30-2013, 10:06 AM

I know bdp and Hellman say middle tank, but I would think further back towards the back of the tank would benefit more durning wot?

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Chief · 01-30-2013, 10:07 AM

I also kit talked to Eric from
Bdp and he said that deep vs shallow sump they saw no difference in fuel feeding capabilities. And have had no complaints from any customers. And yes they did just quit making deep sumps.

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GETGONESRT · 01-30-2013, 10:09 AM

I dunno if I am retarded but I don't understand what I'm looking at. I changed the numbers to what my setup will be then the graph showed up... Ill have to keep playing with it.

Chief · 01-30-2013, 10:36 AM

Eric said they tested it with airdog 200 with. No issues, and single 044. Apparently the dog 200s are good for 1000 on diesel.

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Chief · 01-30-2013, 10:43 AM

I may talk to Eric about a possible group buy see what he can do for us.

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**underSRTarmor** · 01-30-2013, 10:48 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by GETGONESRT

I dunno if I am retarded but I don't understand what I'm looking at. I changed the numbers to what my setup will be then the graph showed up... Ill have to keep playing with it.

post screen shot it...

D-SRT · 01-30-2013, 11:13 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Chief

I also kit talked to Eric from
Bdp and he said that deep vs shallow sump they saw no difference in fuel feeding capabilities. And have had no complaints from any customers. And yes they did just quit making deep sumps.

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Ok, if you want a shallow one, go for it. I'm just outlining the reasons as to why I would not opt for a low profile sump over a regular depth one. Minus the lip, the low-pro is only ~1". Not even a 1/4 way down the sump, the outlet starts to not be fully submerged.

The shallow sump with 2 feeds? Even worse.

I just think if you're going to go through the hassle of cutting your tank up, you should atleast get one with a little bit of depth so it can hold some volume. Which is the whole purpose of even doing a sump... a compartment with sufficient volume needs so your fuel pump doesn't suck dry in low gas situations.

big4mike9 · 01-30-2013, 11:34 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Chief

I may talk to Eric about a possible group buy see what he can do for us.

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Keep us updated.

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**underSRTarmor** · 01-30-2013, 11:56 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by D-SRT

Ok, if you want a shallow one, go for it. I'm just outlining the reasons as to why I would not opt for a low profile sump over a regular depth one. Minus the lip, the low-pro is only ~1". Not even a 1/4 way down the sump, the outlet starts to not be fully submerged.

The shallow sump with 2 feeds? Even worse.

I just think if you're going to go through the hassle of cutting your tank up, you should atleast get one with a little bit of depth so it can hold some volume. Which is the whole purpose of even doing a sump... a compartment with sufficient volume needs so your fuel pump doesn't suck dry in low gas situations.

i agree my sump is 2 in deep and 4 long and tappers up to the tank...

KillaB · 01-30-2013, 12:20 PM

I'd go with a deep sump mainly for piece of mind.I agree defeats the purpose of hacking into the tank.And being low I can't use the full potential of a 044? Lol why...I guess low cars can't go fast.... I went and measured down ground clearance last night.. Oil pan is about 4 1/4"off the ground.. Gas tank is about 5 inches. Add the sump so lets say 3". It looks low but I figure my exhaust hangs Lower and doesn't hit so ill be good. Probably do some kind of skid plate.Also have to raise the rear 1/2" to be level with the front anyways..

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GETGONESRT · 01-30-2013, 12:23 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by underSRTarmor

post screen shot it...

I'll have to do it tonight. I'm not to sure on what I am entering too. Think of doing a 5831,single 044, e85... Not sure on injector size or fuel pressure.

KillaB · 01-30-2013, 12:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by underSRTarmor

i agree my sump is 2 in deep and 4 long and tappers up to the tank...

I wished we could incorporate the universal metal ones that jegs/summit sell into our plastic tank.

Found this sump. What do you guys think of the rectangle shape?
Diesel Preformance - B & B Tooling & Diesel Performance
theres one on ebay
Billet Aluminum Fuel Tank Sump | eBay

Chief · 01-30-2013, 02:16 PM

Eric said he WOULD work a deal with us.

Im just wondering though, do you think two 044s could literaly suck so much fuel that it would cause a air pocket in the sump with a full tank of gas? Do they have that much sucking power?

Be cool if someone did a test with something clear, and you could watch what happened inside when the pumps where sucking at full power.

Im actaully gonna talk to eric about that, and see if they have done any testing like this to see if they had any cav issues.

triangles · 01-30-2013, 02:38 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Chief

Eric said he WOULD work a deal with us.

Im just wondering though, do you think two 044s could literaly suck so much fuel that it would cause a air pocket in the sump with a full tank of gas? Do they have that much sucking power?

Be cool if someone did a test with something clear, and you could watch what happened inside when the pumps where sucking at full power.

Im actaully gonna talk to eric about that, and see if they have done any testing like this to see if they had any cav issues.

I called eric just now I'm going to test the sump out on my car it will ship out next week I'll be the test dummy on the sump single -8 fitting with a single inline pump.

D-SRT · 01-30-2013, 02:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KillaB

And being low I can't use the full potential of a 044? Lol why...I guess low cars can't go fast....

The term of 'fast' is relative, I guess.

What I meant was if you're honestly low enough where you are concerned about clearance, then chances are you can't utilize the full potential/hp abilities of what an 044 can offer because you wouldn't be able to stick a PROPER tire under there to save your life.
Sure, you could make 500hp+, but doesn't mean its fast if you got rubber band sized tires, rubbing the fenders, or worrying about avoiding pebbles.

01-30-2013, 10:06 AM	#46 (permalink)
Chief SRTforums Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Member Number: 61336 Location: Afuckistan Posts: 9,166	Single inline 044 with sump. I know bdp and Hellman say middle tank, but I would think further back towards the back of the tank would benefit more durning wot? Sent from __________________ 'freedom's not free' 24-25psi 61mm 11.6@120 @3650ft

01-30-2013, 10:07 AM	#47 (permalink)
Chief SRTforums Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Member Number: 61336 Location: Afuckistan Posts: 9,166	Single inline 044 with sump. I also kit talked to Eric from Bdp and he said that deep vs shallow sump they saw no difference in fuel feeding capabilities. And have had no complaints from any customers. And yes they did just quit making deep sumps. Sent from __________________ 'freedom's not free' 24-25psi 61mm 11.6@120 @3650ft

01-30-2013, 10:09 AM	#48 (permalink)
GETGONESRT Premium Member Join Date: May 2010 Member Number: 79119 Location: Brunswick, OH Posts: 694	I dunno if I am retarded but I don't understand what I'm looking at. I changed the numbers to what my setup will be then the graph showed up... Ill have to keep playing with it. __________________ 05 SRT-4 Custom 3 inch downpipe, JMB TiAL hard pipe, DSP 93 Octane tune, Mopar short shifter,Boomba fuel rail, Saikou Michi dual catch cans, BWoody Solid motor mounts, AGP solid trans mount, DCR 4th mount, DCR Oil pump, DCR Direct fit 6061 strap kit, DCR oil pick-up, MPX Big oil filter kit, ProAuto clutch line,PWerks small battery, BC BR coilovers, MPX solid LCA's, CBD ELW lip, Stern ST-1

01-30-2013, 10:36 AM	#49 (permalink)
Chief SRTforums Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Member Number: 61336 Location: Afuckistan Posts: 9,166	Single inline 044 with sump. Eric said they tested it with airdog 200 with. No issues, and single 044. Apparently the dog 200s are good for 1000 on diesel. Sent from __________________ 'freedom's not free' 24-25psi 61mm 11.6@120 @3650ft

01-30-2013, 10:43 AM	#50 (permalink)
Chief SRTforums Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Member Number: 61336 Location: Afuckistan Posts: 9,166	Single inline 044 with sump. I may talk to Eric about a possible group buy see what he can do for us. Sent from __________________ 'freedom's not free' 24-25psi 61mm 11.6@120 @3650ft

01-30-2013, 10:48 AM	#51 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,910	Quote: Originally Posted by GETGONESRT I dunno if I am retarded but I don't understand what I'm looking at. I changed the numbers to what my setup will be then the graph showed up... Ill have to keep playing with it. post screen shot it... __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable

01-30-2013, 11:13 AM	#52 (permalink)
D-SRT SRTforums Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Member Number: 80561 Location: monterey Posts: 709	Quote: Originally Posted by Chief I also kit talked to Eric from Bdp and he said that deep vs shallow sump they saw no difference in fuel feeding capabilities. And have had no complaints from any customers. And yes they did just quit making deep sumps. Sent from Ok, if you want a shallow one, go for it. I'm just outlining the reasons as to why I would not opt for a low profile sump over a regular depth one. Minus the lip, the low-pro is only ~1". Not even a 1/4 way down the sump, the outlet starts to not be fully submerged. The shallow sump with 2 feeds? Even worse. I just think if you're going to go through the hassle of cutting your tank up, you should atleast get one with a little bit of depth so it can hold some volume. Which is the whole purpose of even doing a sump... a compartment with sufficient volume needs so your fuel pump doesn't suck dry in low gas situations. __________________ Pumpking. 10.31@147. 1st SRT in TENS in CA. QUICKEST & FASTEST IN CA. Thanks to: TUNED BY MINDMELT101@DRAG-ON Tuning. - http://drag-ontuning.com/blog/ GOKEY RACING for anything fabrication related Instagram: m_santiago37 Last edited by D-SRT; 01-30-2013 at 11:31 AM.

01-30-2013, 11:34 AM	#53 (permalink)
big4mike9 SRTforums Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Member Number: 84969 Location: Miami Posts: 441	Single inline 044 with sump. Quote: Originally Posted by Chief I may talk to Eric about a possible group buy see what he can do for us. Sent from Keep us updated. Sent from __________________ SRI, 3" Exhaust Depo Side Exit + 3" MPx O2, exhaust cutout, DSP, Mopar Plate, AGP Return Line, Walbro 255, Fuel Pump Rewire, Innovate Motorsports MTX-L, N2MB Wot box/2-step and Boost Box, Bwoody check valve, $20 catch can x2, STS, Rage-Tek Shifter Bushings, Pwerks 3rd Gear Extender, 3 Bar Sensors, Dusters Injectors and e85

01-30-2013, 11:56 AM	#54 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,910	Quote: Originally Posted by D-SRT Ok, if you want a shallow one, go for it. I'm just outlining the reasons as to why I would not opt for a low profile sump over a regular depth one. Minus the lip, the low-pro is only ~1". Not even a 1/4 way down the sump, the outlet starts to not be fully submerged. The shallow sump with 2 feeds? Even worse. I just think if you're going to go through the hassle of cutting your tank up, you should atleast get one with a little bit of depth so it can hold some volume. Which is the whole purpose of even doing a sump... a compartment with sufficient volume needs so your fuel pump doesn't suck dry in low gas situations. i agree my sump is 2 in deep and 4 long and tappers up to the tank... __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable

01-30-2013, 12:20 PM	#55 (permalink)
KillaB SRTforums Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Member Number: 85871 Location: Kansas Posts: 190	Single inline 044 with sump. I'd go with a deep sump mainly for piece of mind.I agree defeats the purpose of hacking into the tank.And being low I can't use the full potential of a 044? Lol why...I guess low cars can't go fast.... I went and measured down ground clearance last night.. Oil pan is about 4 1/4"off the ground.. Gas tank is about 5 inches. Add the sump so lets say 3". It looks low but I figure my exhaust hangs Lower and doesn't hit so ill be good. Probably do some kind of skid plate.Also have to raise the rear 1/2" to be level with the front anyways.. Sent from __________________ 2003 Solar Yellow 12.79 @108.23

01-30-2013, 12:23 PM	#56 (permalink)
GETGONESRT Premium Member Join Date: May 2010 Member Number: 79119 Location: Brunswick, OH Posts: 694	Quote: Originally Posted by underSRTarmor post screen shot it... I'll have to do it tonight. I'm not to sure on what I am entering too. Think of doing a 5831,single 044, e85... Not sure on injector size or fuel pressure. __________________ 05 SRT-4 Custom 3 inch downpipe, JMB TiAL hard pipe, DSP 93 Octane tune, Mopar short shifter,Boomba fuel rail, Saikou Michi dual catch cans, BWoody Solid motor mounts, AGP solid trans mount, DCR 4th mount, DCR Oil pump, DCR Direct fit 6061 strap kit, DCR oil pick-up, MPX Big oil filter kit, ProAuto clutch line,PWerks small battery, BC BR coilovers, MPX solid LCA's, CBD ELW lip, Stern ST-1

01-30-2013, 12:34 PM	#57 (permalink)
KillaB SRTforums Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Member Number: 85871 Location: Kansas Posts: 190	Quote: Originally Posted by underSRTarmor i agree my sump is 2 in deep and 4 long and tappers up to the tank... I wished we could incorporate the universal metal ones that jegs/summit sell into our plastic tank. Found this sump. What do you guys think of the rectangle shape? Diesel Preformance - B & B Tooling & Diesel Performance theres one on ebay Billet Aluminum Fuel Tank Sump \| eBay __________________ 2003 Solar Yellow 12.79 @108.23

01-30-2013, 02:16 PM	#58 (permalink)
Chief SRTforums Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Member Number: 61336 Location: Afuckistan Posts: 9,166	Eric said he WOULD work a deal with us. Im just wondering though, do you think two 044s could literaly suck so much fuel that it would cause a air pocket in the sump with a full tank of gas? Do they have that much sucking power? Be cool if someone did a test with something clear, and you could watch what happened inside when the pumps where sucking at full power. Im actaully gonna talk to eric about that, and see if they have done any testing like this to see if they had any cav issues. __________________ 'freedom's not free' 24-25psi 61mm 11.6@120 @3650ft Last edited by Chief; 01-30-2013 at 02:20 PM.

01-30-2013, 02:38 PM	#59 (permalink)
triangles SRTforums Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Member Number: 80981 Location: riverbank ca Posts: 595	Re: Single inline 044 with sump. Quote: Originally Posted by Chief Eric said he WOULD work a deal with us. Im just wondering though, do you think two 044s could literaly suck so much fuel that it would cause a air pocket in the sump with a full tank of gas? Do they have that much sucking power? Be cool if someone did a test with something clear, and you could watch what happened inside when the pumps where sucking at full power. Im actaully gonna talk to eric about that, and see if they have done any testing like this to see if they had any cav issues. I called eric just now I'm going to test the sump out on my car it will ship out next week I'll be the test dummy on the sump single -8 fitting with a single inline pump. __________________ 05 flame red bw Stage 3 47lb 20g By Mole' *daily driven* E85

01-30-2013, 02:41 PM	#60 (permalink)
D-SRT SRTforums Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Member Number: 80561 Location: monterey Posts: 709	Quote: Originally Posted by KillaB And being low I can't use the full potential of a 044? Lol why...I guess low cars can't go fast.... The term of 'fast' is relative, I guess. What I meant was if you're honestly low enough where you are concerned about clearance, then chances are you can't utilize the full potential/hp abilities of what an 044 can offer because you wouldn't be able to stick a PROPER tire under there to save your life. Sure, you could make 500hp+, but doesn't mean its fast if you got rubber band sized tires, rubbing the fenders, or worrying about avoiding pebbles. __________________ Pumpking. 10.31@147. 1st SRT in TENS in CA. QUICKEST & FASTEST IN CA. Thanks to: TUNED BY MINDMELT101@DRAG-ON Tuning. - http://drag-ontuning.com/blog/ GOKEY RACING for anything fabrication related Instagram: m_santiago37

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