glad u fixed it , but im still gana do the bottle neck fix, seems like a better way to fix the fuel issue's
i agree with you. i am gonna try to do this to his car in the future. i am also gonna do it to my car, but i have never had an isue with my car. but for those who dont wanna do the bottle neck fix this would be a great way to fix the stock setup.
hmm cool....so u just hammered some nails flat and slid em in there? cut the excess off
yea, pretty much. i also used some heavy duty zip ties to keep the factory latches tight against the FPR. it was a very simple fix for the time being and i am sure it will last for quit awhile. i also used some electrical tape to wrap around the the FPR to help keep everything in place. i am sure some people can find different ways to do what i just did and i would love to hear about them.
so this is the one you called me about. Glad you found it. from what you described I was looking more into a running the ecu out of it's limits problem in the tuning Good job on the find though Chris
so this is the one you called me about. Glad you found it. from what you described I was looking more into a running the ecu out of it's limits problem in the tuning Good job on the find though Chris
Yeah .... well don't feel sheepish. I called a handful of vendors / tuners about this , and no-one knew. Problem is , it could have been one of 100 different things. This is why so many have had these problems ( hard start and such ) , but so few have figured it out. This will not be the problem with everyone's car that's acting this way , but when all the normal things have checked out to be OK , this is just one more thing to look at. It took a sharp thinker to come up with checking that particular possibility !
i have installed a bunch of return line kits.... the problem at hand was the fact that his car ran perfect for 8 months with no problem at all!! then all of a sudden after a snow storm his car began to act like he described. so obviously this was not a problem from installing the return line kit. if it was then why would his car run perfect for that long with no sign of any problems and then over night start doing this??
ok, so i guess i am average....
Relax. I wasnt saying you or anyone else was average. I was saying for the average person it would be very hard to figure out what the problem was. Dont take offense, i didnt mean it that way.
Relax. I wasnt saying you or anyone else was average. I was saying for the average person it would be very hard to figure out what the problem was. Dont take offense, i didnt mean it that way.
my question to you since you find this kinda thing normal would be...why did the car run perfect without a single problem for 8 months then just all of a sudden start doing this? from the way you were describing yourself you should know a answer to give me.
i have a couple reasons i think it happened but would love to compare notes on this and see if we are close on opinion.
my question to you since you find this kinda thing normal would be...why did the car run perfect without a single problem for 8 months then just all of a sudden start doing this? from the way you were describing yourself you should know a answer to give me.
i have a couple reasons i think it happened but would love to compare notes on this and see if we are close on opinion.
You sure are reading way to much into what I say. When you have a bleed down issue, there are only a few things that can cause that. When I say average person , I mean someone who has installed maybe 2-3 kits at most. They would have a hell of a time locating this issue, even more so if they didnt see the pressure bleed down.
Now the first thing I always check is for leaking gas after installing a return kit. The SECOND thing I do is check to see if the pressure is holding up or bleeding down. I have learned that over the years because of how easy it is to lose or tear the stock o-ring. I wouldnt expect the ''average'' person to check that right away. Im sure people think, hey the car starts and drives...everything must be ok. I know better than that.
Now if the problem started all of a sudden, the first thing i would think is the fuel pump. Thats common sense. I wouldnt go replacing the fuel pump right off the bat, i would check for leaks in the system to narrow it down. I would have checked the orings first, and then checked to see if the filter was seated correctly. Why? Because I have done so many kits. We are talking back as far as 96. I have had seating issues in the past, from over filling the spring. You live, you learn.
Now why it would happen down the road? It could be a few things. One being to much force was used taking the stock reg in and out, and it weakend the tabs. Over time - even more so with cold conditions they would become brittle. Hell he could have hit a big bump and shook it loose from the weakend tabs. I really dont know what would cause it as I have NEVER had the problem. Now had it come up, I can guarantee it would have been checked fairly quickly. I realize that you can take offense because you spent so much time on it...but we all think different. I just so happen to know the fuel system better then average bear. I should Ive had it apart a gazzillion times.
Again... nice find. Also a great sticky for those who may not think to look for something like this.
You sure are reading way to much into what I say. When you have a bleed down issue, there are only a few things that can cause that. When I say average person , I mean someone who has installed maybe 2-3 kits at most. They would have a hell of a time locating this issue, even more so if they didnt see the pressure bleed down.
Now the first thing I always check is for leaking gas after installing a return kit. The SECOND thing I do is check to see if the pressure is holding up or bleeding down. I have learned that over the years because of how easy it is to lose or tear the stock o-ring. I wouldnt expect the ''average'' person to check that right away. Im sure people think, hey the car starts and drives...everything must be ok. I know better than that.
Now if the problem started all of a sudden, the first thing i would think is the fuel pump. Thats common sense. I wouldnt go replacing the fuel pump right off the bat, i would check for leaks in the system to narrow it down. I would have checked the orings first, and then checked to see if the filter was seated correctly. Why? Because I have done so many kits. We are talking back as far as 96. I have had seating issues in the past, from over filling the spring. You live, you learn.
Now why it would happen down the road? It could be a few things. One being to much force was used taking the stock reg in and out, and it weakend the tabs. Over time - even more so with cold conditions they would become brittle. Hell he could have hit a big bump and shook it loose from the weakend tabs. I really dont know what would cause it as I have NEVER had the problem. Now had it come up, I can guarantee it would have been checked fairly quickly. I realize that you can take offense because you spent so much time on it...but we all think different. I just so happen to know the fuel system better then average bear. I should Ive had it apart a gazzillion times.
Again... nice find. Also a great sticky for those who may not think to look for something like this.
Nearly no-one would think to look at this , because after adding a return fuel system , the factory regulator just becomes a static part .... that is , no longer in operation. It's reduced to being a simple plug for the tank. My factory regulator had only been out that ONE time when AGP installed the FPR system .... so the weakened tabs thing is kind of unlikely.
That still leaves me with no real good explanation as to what could have caused the reg to stop seating properly with the tank .... I'm just damn glad it's repaired !!
man, i might be jacking my car up tonight to try this, did you throw any sort of codes? I'm dumb, just re-read and you had no codes! New question...How long did you drive around like this and what kind of gas mileage were you getting?
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Nearly no-one would think to look at this , because after adding a return fuel system , the factory regulator just becomes a static part .... that is , no longer in operation. It's reduced to being a simple plug for the tank. My factory regulator had only been out that ONE time when AGP installed the FPR system .... so the weakened tabs thing is kind of unlikely.
That still leaves me with no real good explanation as to what could have caused the reg to stop seating properly with the tank .... I'm just damn glad it's repaired !!
In your case its an odd problem that occured. Is the metal bushing flush inside the stock filter. You most likely had a freak problem man.
And no its not just a plug in the tank, it is still your fuel filter.
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Good job on the find though Chris 
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