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Old 01-17-2013, 12:05 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Default Flow Tested 888cc/1025cc injectors, and the results are?

Quote: Originally Posted by apexcrazy View Post
No . I was referring to your "you didn't build that" attitude .

So what ? I had Chris do some major work for me too this year cuz I collapsed a lung . So what ?

That's fine. Ill drop my block off at a machine shop to get honed and matched to the pistons I buy.



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They were cleaned and tested if you would like to call them and verify that then do so. I wouldn't put this up on the national forum and I wouldnt have just sent my injectors in to be tested and not have them cleaned and pay the money out. My engine builder Chris Krieg very reputable builder atleast in Indiana with srt's knows the guy pretty well and talked to him Direct about the injectors by all means you can contact him also, if you also noticed on the sheet that there were also parts replaced. If infact if there was a difference before and after cleaning that is when they would list it on the sheet next to the comments.

^^ this is what set me off.

No one read this after be said they weren't cleaned.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:10 PM   #62 (permalink)
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And......The injectors infact did not get cleaned.

Neither did yours . The good ones , anyway . Just like the op .
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Default Flow Tested 888cc/1025cc injectors, and the results are?

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Neither did yours . The good ones , anyway . Just like the op .

Right. Only bc after the one got cleaned it flowed identical to the rest. All flowed 1116cc.

If the one that got cleaned would of flowed more than the other 3 I told fic to clean them all. They said 1116 is a brand new injector.


The fact that he insisted they got cleaned and was comparing my info his builder input pissed me off. Like his builder is more right than me(kinda way) I know I'm not the best and will admit when wrong. Hell I'm not a tuner or an engine builder.

And all the time none got cleaned.
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Quote: Originally Posted by nemiro View Post
Wow! So much BS and posturing in this thread! A couple of people are spot on. What test fluid was used? Makes all the difference in the world. I built a home made flow bench, and have used a couple of different fluids, and have tested all kinds of injectors. The results are always different from one manufacturer or another, due to fluid.


The density of the test fluid is most likely the only difference between the measured and "advertised" numbers


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These injectors were designed for OE applications, and as a result, flow rate differences between injectors is tightly controlled, therefore your tolerance is tight, which your flow tests indicated. That is as important as overall flow rate for the set.

% flow balance is 10X more important than few cc off from what's advertised. That's why mine are all match to under 1/2%

Given that I have more than a cursory knowledge of these things, and that I have access to whatever type of injector I want, does it surprise anyone why I would want to use these?

I use these in my own car as well and have for over 3 years.


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FTR, Siemens advertises this as an 80lb/hr injector @ 43.5psi. Others have different interpretations of what they flow in cc/min. There are solid formulas for this conversion.

Marketing very often mislabels what a product actually is. However, once the label enters the common vernacular, it is hard to correct it. Hence, in SRT4 circles, this injector is known as the 888/1025, even though the manufacturer never called it that. Most people on SRTForums know what the 888/1025cc injector is. However, ask someone on these forums about the 80# injector, and no one knows what you are talking about.

I was the first to market these injectors as "1025cc". This number was derived off detailed specs sheets supplied by the manufacturer ans my calcualtions.

Honestly, 1025cc/min is pure marketing hype. Base on my actual calculations they are 1024cc at 58psi but "1025cc" sounded better
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Quote: Originally Posted by nemiro View Post
FTR, Siemens advertises this as an 80lb/hr injector @ 43.5psi. Others have different interpretations of what they flow in cc/min. There are solid formulas for this conversion.

Marketing very often mislabels what a product actually is. However, once the label enters the common vernacular, it is hard to correct it. Hence, in SRT4 circles, this injector is known as the 888/1025, even though the manufacturer never called it that. Most people on SRTForums know what the 888/1025cc injector is. However, ask someone on these forums about the 80# injector, and no one knows what you are talking about.

I'm not saying they are bad injectors at all, but when you list a product like injectors that are suppose to flow a certain amount as advertised they should flow that amount. I know there can be a difference in fluids being used but sending them out to a reputable place like FIC one would think they are using the best stuff or so we are to believe it is. I would really just like to see a test of a brand new set of injectors I'm sure someone has them right. I mean these are so widely used.
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Do you *honestly* think some of the other injectors out there _really_ flow what they are advertised at? Maybe I should publish some of my results. There would be a lot of crying!
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You ever think that maybe they were flowed with a different substance from the manufacturer than what yours were subjected to in the latest flow test?

You do realize, FIC 1100's and ID 1000's are IDENTICAL injectors...and FIC 2150's and ID 2000's are IDENTICAL injectors, right? FIC uses a different liquid and pretty much artificially boosts their numbers, though they are the same injector.

Maybe it was tested with the same liquid as what Seimens rated theirs as. Maybe not. Just stating the obvious that many seemed to miss.

FIC and ID injectors are very similar. Weather they're exact or not, i really don't care. I consider any injector advertised within 100cc of another to be pretty much the same. On every tune I do, each injector scale is dialed in per car.

Again, as a tuner, I could care less if the injectors are 100cc off one way or the other from the "advertised" size. As long as all 4 flow at or below 1% that's just fine.
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Do you *honestly* think some of the other injectors out there _really_ flow what they are advertised at? Maybe I should publish some of my results. There would be a lot of crying!

I guess you got your fuel injector test fixture working?
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I'm not trying to argue with anyone here but and actual test was performed and I posted this, I have yet to see a brand new set tested that's all I am asking, it shouldn't be to hard to produce right.
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I guess you got your fuel injector test fixture working?

Yep. Raises eyebrows, that's for sure.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Millernz123 View Post
I'm not trying to argue with anyone here but and actual test was performed and I posted this, I have yet to see a brand new set tested that's all I am asking, it shouldn't be to hard to produce right.

IF people would like to send me their brand new injectors, I will flow them against the same setup that I flow everything against, with the same fluid, and I will give them the final results, uncorrected, and then corrected against stock type injectors. It may be a way of getting a definitive database of what injectors REALLY do.
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What's important is now you know exactly what your injectors flow . I'm guessing the first few pages got hacked up by mods deleting posts , so its hard to get an idea how this all went down , but from what's left it looked like Chris Krieg's integrity was being questioned by others , otherwise I wouldn't have posted . But it seems the issue was a simple symantics misunderstanding .
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Quote: Originally Posted by apexcrazy View Post
What's important is now you know exactly what your injectors flow . I'm guess the first few pages got hacked up by mods deleting posts so its hard to get an idea how this all went down , but from what's left it looked like Chris Krieg's integrity was being questioned by others , otherwise I wouldn't have posted . But it seems the issue was a simple symantics misunderstanding .

i wasnt trying to be an azz by no means, but i know the the sheet showed and i know what all the options give as i just got mine tested and cleaned.....

i dont know craig, and i wasnt questioning his ablities..... i was only stating the fact that the injectors did not get cleaned... and i got told blah blah

then i got pissed(well not really) but i responded with stuff like i did, the op thinks u cant lose 85cc from them being dirty thats incorrect....


now back on topic, i apologize for staying negative things toward the op


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Quote: Originally Posted by nemiro View Post
Yep. Raises eyebrows, that's for sure.

Have you validated its results against the PCM's fuel model?
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IF people would like to send me their brand new injectors, I will flow them against the same setup that I flow everything against, with the same fluid, and I will give them the final results, uncorrected, and then corrected against stock type injectors. It may be a way of getting a definitive database of what injectors REALLY do.

i could send you my freshly tested fic 1100s as it will be alil bit before my manifold comes in... if interested..


you can compare ur data to theirs
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