Go Back   SRT Forums - SRT4, SRT6, SRT8, SRT10 & Dodge Forum > SRT-4 Technical Discussion > Cylinder Head & Valve Train
Register Home ForumForum Rules Photo Gallery Active Topics (D) Chat Mark Forums Read


SRTForums.com is the premier Dodge Neon SRT-4 on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads. Please Register - It's Free!


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-08-2009, 05:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
reed32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Member Number: 4648
Location: Pitts,CA
Trader Rating: (46)
Posts: 7,990
Default is it necessary to tap Oil fittings on the Valve cover?

i seen some motor builds (like eclipsegst, honda's etc..) tap fittings on the valve cover and the block or oil pan. From what i heard its suppose to reduces crank case pressure. Is this really needed or its only for xx amount of horsepowered cars?

Quote: Originally Posted by Eclipsegsturbo View Post

__________________
JnR:
blue209 12.23@118 w/1.8 60ft 321hp and 390tq
tkilla 12.28@117.8 w/1.8 60ft new e85#'s coming soon
jrsrt 12.29@116.9 w/1.87 60ft
blackpearl 12.35@114 w/1.960ft 307hp and 363tq
Winecountry 12.32@112 w/1.7 60ft 315hp and 330tq
yellowsrt-4 12.5@112 w/2.0 60ft 307hp,355tq
jlozacr 12.7@110 w/2.0 60ft 301hp and 345tq
bayscksrt 12.9@110 w2.0 60ft 21psi, E85
srt princess 12.9@109 w/1.9 60ft
Kaz109 50 trim 458hp/460tq 11.54@121.78 W/1.79 60ft
reed32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 09-08-2009, 05:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
turbotrix2004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Member Number: 20760
Location: tabernacle nj
Trader Rating: (51)
Posts: 1,351
Default

is the oil modifier from dcr supposed to do that also??
__________________
MODS Mopar Cai S3 Fuel Rail & Injectors,DSP,Koyo Radiator,EDSB bfmic,70mm boomba tb,BC s3 cams springs & retainers,unorthadox Cam Gears,AIT crank pulley, P&P head,DCR proseries IM,gt3076r,DCR Complete oil kit,DCR wiseco 8.5.1 coated pistons,JE rods,3" V6 downpipe,E.D. Hard pipes,custom Cat-Back,
turbotrix2004 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2009, 05:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
Premium Member (Lifetime)
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Member Number: 73293
Location: Utah
Trader Rating: (4)
Posts: 150
Lifetime Premium Member
Default

I can only speak concerning the DSM/EVO crowd. I know that pushing high boost (30+psi) would cause the dip stick to pop out. Then, if that issue was fixed, oil could find it's way out of the oil pan through the seal, and so on. It's like, you fix one leak, oil would leak from somewhere else.

Buschur Racing also proved to gain HP on the dyno by relieving pressure from the crankcase on an Evo. They actually recommend doing it on any setup, and getting rid of the stock PCV. Not sure if this helps at all...?..
ninety2slow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2009, 05:28 PM   #4 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
turbotrix2004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Member Number: 20760
Location: tabernacle nj
Trader Rating: (51)
Posts: 1,351
Default

Quote: Originally Posted by ninety2slow View Post
I can only speak concerning the DSM/EVO crowd. I know that pushing high boost (30+psi) would cause the dip stick to pop out. Then, if that issue was fixed, oil could find it's way out of the oil pan through the seal, and so on. It's like, you fix one leak, oil would leak from somewhere else.

Buschur Racing also proved to gain HP on the dyno by relieving pressure from the crankcase on an Evo. They actually recommend doing it on any setup, and getting rid of the stock PCV. Not sure if this helps at all...?..

i wonder if we would benefit at all from that
turbotrix2004 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2009, 02:10 AM   #5 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
reed32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Member Number: 4648
Location: Pitts,CA
Trader Rating: (46)
Posts: 7,990
Default

Quote: Originally Posted by turbotrix2004 View Post
i wonder if we would benefit at all from that


thats what im wondering...never ending idea's for the srt4 build
reed32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2009, 05:49 AM   #6 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
nutz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Member Number: 41700
Location: IB, Ca.
Trader Rating: (19)
Posts: 8,954
Default

i think allot of the high HP cars need vac pumps to keep the crankcase pressure down (or in a high vac) while a PCV system is good you need to remember that any oil vapors will KILL your fuel octane (super fast) I was wondering if exhaust driven vac devices would work for our cars (i hear no on a turbo but....)

Moroso 22640 - Moroso Vacuum Pumps - Overview - SummitRacing.com
Summit SUM-120108 - Summit® Crankcase Evacuation Systems - Overview - SummitRacing.com
NEW RACE CAR CRANKCASE EVACUATION VENTILATION AIR PUMP:eBay Motors (item 160357522001 end time Sep-21-09 12:33:31 PDT)

EXHAUST DRIVEN, BELT DRIVEN AND ELECTRIC

Last edited by nutz : 09-09-2009 at 06:03 AM.
nutz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2009, 08:03 PM   #7 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
srtmike04's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Member Number: 41861
Location: AZ
Trader Rating: (16)
Posts: 1,662
Default

its really no different than running the breather hoses on the old chevy setups off the vc's to the exhuast. relieves crank case pressure in a hurry
srtmike04 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2009, 09:06 PM   #8 (permalink)
Supporting Vendor (Gold)
 
nemiro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Member Number: 32732
Location: Raton, NM
Trader Rating: (165)
Posts: 1,657
Lifetime Premium Member
Default

The exhaust type does not work on a turbocharged vehicle, due to the lack of scavenging pulses, and certainly no venturi effect. The more 'mechanical' methods do work.
__________________
Neil Emiro
2005 Dodge SRT-4
nemiro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2009, 09:19 PM   #9 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
srtmike04's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Member Number: 41861
Location: AZ
Trader Rating: (16)
Posts: 1,662
Default

^^ as far as mechanical are you talkin about a pump or something of the sort like what was mentioned above??
srtmike04 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2009, 03:33 AM   #10 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
reed32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Member Number: 4648
Location: Pitts,CA
Trader Rating: (46)
Posts: 7,990
Default

Quote: Originally Posted by srtmike04 View Post
^^ as far as mechanical are you talkin about a pump or something of the sort like what was mentioned above??


x2 would like to know
reed32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2009, 06:56 AM   #11 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
Sota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Member Number: 31159
Location: Parts Unknown
Trader Rating: (11)
Posts: 6,387
Default

there was a thread by DCR titled something along the lines of "these cars like vacuum all the time" with some good discussions about the topic.
__________________
  • N2MB / Jay & Jon
  • S&P Development / Jimmy
  • Maddog Shifters / Chuck
What else needs to be said?
Sota is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2009, 01:13 PM   #12 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
boots's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Member Number: 67116
Location: Zanesville, OH
Trader Rating: (11)
Posts: 1,570
Default

Yea, they run the passenger-side line to a catch can and then to the manifold. The driver-side line to a catch can and then the intake tube. I know my friend whenever he does a build with his honda's, he puts two fittings into the valve cover for ventalation. I mean it can't really hurt anything, our PCV suck on our cars to begin with.

Those pumps posted up, do they just run off of the accessory pulley?



Quote: Originally Posted by Sota View Post
there was a thread by DCR titled something along the lines of "these cars like vacuum all the time" with some good discussions about the topic.

__________________
2004 stage 2-AEM ems-DCR intake manifold-crane 16's(stock valve train)-act clutch-dss axles-boomba fuel rail-boomba mounts-boomba throtle body-3in side exit exhaust- maddog 58 STS-built trans( Rage accelerator, Rage 3/4 fork, and p-werks selector)- GT3076R

Soon to come, my high compression build New turbo setup and transmission setup
boots is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2009, 01:46 PM   #13 (permalink)
Supporting Vendor (Gold)
 
nemiro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Member Number: 32732
Location: Raton, NM
Trader Rating: (165)
Posts: 1,657
Lifetime Premium Member
Default

Quote: Originally Posted by srtmike04 View Post
^^ as far as mechanical are you talkin about a pump or something of the sort like what was mentioned above??

Correct, some sort of positive displacement pump. Setting that race pump up to trigger off of a Hobbs switch, once manifold pressure gets above, say 3-5psi, may be a big, big help.
nemiro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2009, 10:32 PM   #14 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
srtmike04's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Member Number: 41861
Location: AZ
Trader Rating: (16)
Posts: 1,662
Default

^^^it would be kinda cool to see somewhat how to set something like this up. have you ever done anything like it??
srtmike04 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2009, 03:19 AM   #15 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
nutz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Member Number: 41700
Location: IB, Ca.
Trader Rating: (19)
Posts: 8,954
Default

Quote: Originally Posted by boots View Post
Yea, they run the passenger-side line to a catch can and then to the manifold. The driver-side line to a catch can and then the intake tube. I know my friend whenever he does a build with his honda's, he puts two fittings into the valve cover for ventalation. I mean it can't really hurt anything, our PCV suck on our cars to begin with.

Those pumps posted up, do they just run off of the accessory pulley?

yes the pully driven pumps can be rigged to replace the A/C condensor (if it would fit ) the PCV system on our cars works good while in vacuum but when in boost there is nothing to pull a vacuum on the crankcase, the intake tube will do a little but then you need a restriction (filter) to create the vacuum so it negates the performance of it (kinda) also even if you dont suck straight oil the fumes from the crankcase WILL promote detonation (uneven/uncontroled burn) very very big concern or race cars maxing out that can cause catostrophic failure (snowball effect) not a concern when in manifold vacuum

mocking up a big PCV system to work only at manifold vacuum is counter productive the engine needs it under boost BIG TIME where the rings need sealing

i would be interested in seeing how electric pumps work, everyone i know uses pully pumps (V-8's)

Last edited by nutz : 09-16-2009 at 03:23 AM.
nutz is online now   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Register Home Forum Photo Gallery Active Topics (D) Chat Mark Forums Read
  SRT Forums - SRT4, SRT6, SRT8, SRT10 & Dodge Forum > SRT-4 Technical Discussion > Cylinder Head & Valve Train




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

» Wheel & Tire Center

Sponsors

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0 RC2

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:58 AM.

(C) SRTforums.com
Page generated in 0.34050 seconds with 13 queries

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.1.0