?, I knw nothing about cams, why are 2.0L cams better then out stock? What advantages do they offer..?
over stock, the exh cam is a good bit larger than stock in lift.
the intake cam has more lift as well, but not as much in contrast to the exh cam.
the duration is same as stock essentially, give or take a few *.
sooo you're allowing the car to push more air thru in the same given duration = more power.
i gained a good amount of top end w/o sacrificing 1 bit of spool.
for the money ($50) its a good budget cam thatll make power. its not by any means a replacement to a good set of crane 12-16s or bc3's, but they are good.
Don't use RTV on the cam caps, you are supposed to use anaerobic sealant. That is the type of gasket maker that is refrenced in the FSM.
The anaerobic sealer is used on the factories because it doesn't Harden unless there is no air. That and it doesn't mess with the clearances. I said to use RTV because most people dont have the anaerobic sealer. That and if used SPARINGLY (It doesn't take half a tube to seal the caps) it wont affect the clearances. I've used it on my own car and have had NO issues with the cam journals. But like i said it has to be a VERY thin coat. Still anaerobic is the best to make damn sure everything is right. Thank you for pointing that out, i forgot to mention that. I'll edit the how-to.
Quote: Originally Posted by catlin987987
I don't think that you can say it costs $50 when you sill have to buy cam gears...
Well if you look at it this way, every cam that is installed should be installed with adjustable gears. So you can tune your power band for how you want it. That being said, if you compare the $50 for the 2.0l cams verses the 350-400 for cranes or Crowers, 50 isn't bad for some cams that will make power IF tuned correctly. The 2.0ls are designed for mid range torque on a smaller sized engine, which gives you better gas mileage since the car is making its power in RPMs that MOST people drive in. The cams are bigger but the cam timing is different. If you adjust the cam timing on the car you can shift the power band more toward the top end. hence why at straight up 0,0 the engine will gain torque yet loose top end.
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?, I knw nothing about cams, why are 2.0L cams better then out stock? What advantages do they offer..?
Keep in mind, DRASTIC'S thoughts on the cams change weekly, when he's not quoting himself in his own signature.
And search for 2.0l cam threads because there's a TON of info out there regarding the differences. Neons.org had an extensive comparison with pictures, measurements and the like, too.
I put in 2.0l cams for the hell of it and with adjustable cam gears and 45min-1hr on the dyno, I was able to summon a decent amount of top-end power out of them. They're very streetable cams, fairly easy to tune (from my experience) and can extend your RPM range a bit keeping you in boost a bit longer.
They're not a substitute for REAL cams, though, i.e. Crower, BC S3's or Crane but they are a good and cheap "upgrade", per se, if you're doing work in there anyways and feel like swapping camshafts.
I like them in all honesty. For $50 for a set, you can't really go wrong in my opinion.
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Keep in mind, DRASTIC'S thoughts on the cams change weekly, when he's not quoting himself in his own signature.
And search for 2.0l cam threads because there's a TON of info out there regarding the differences. Neons.org had an extensive comparison with pictures, measurements and the like, too.
I put in 2.0l cams for the hell of it and with adjustable cam gears and 45min-1hr on the dyno, I was able to summon a decent amount of top-end power out of them. They're very streetable cams, fairly easy to tune (from my experience) and can extend your RPM range a bit keeping you in boost a bit longer.
They're not a substitute for REAL cams, though, i.e. Crower, BC S3's or Crane but they are a good and cheap "upgrade", per se, if you're doing work in there anyways and feel like swapping camshafts.
I like them in all honesty. For $50 for a set, you can't really go wrong in my opinion.
you're just repeating the shit ive BEEN saying...
and you have na 2.0 16's like you stated...which are A LOT different than 2.0 stock cams...
The anaerobic sealer is used on the factories because it doesn't Harden unless there is no air. That and it doesn't mess with the clearances. I said to use RTV because most people dont have the anaerobic sealer. That and if used SPARINGLY (It doesn't take half a tube to seal the caps) it wont affect the clearances. I've used it on my own car and have had NO issues with the cam journals. But like i said it has to be a VERY thin coat. Still anaerobic is the best to make damn sure everything is right. Thank you for pointing that out, i forgot to mention that. I'll edit the how-to.
Well if you look at it this way, every cam that is installed should be installed with adjustable gears. So you can tune your power band for how you want it. That being said, if you compare the $50 for the 2.0l cams verses the 350-400 for cranes or Crowers, 50 isn't bad for some cams that will make power IF tuned correctly. The 2.0ls are designed for mid range torque on a smaller sized engine, which gives you better gas mileage since the car is making its power in RPMs that MOST people drive in. The cams are bigger but the cam timing is different. If you adjust the cam timing on the car you can shift the power band more toward the top end. hence why at straight up 0,0 the engine will gain torque yet loose top end.
The anaerobic sealer is used on the factories because it doesn't Harden unless there is no air. That and it doesn't mess with the clearances. I said to use RTV because most people dont have the anaerobic sealer. That and if used SPARINGLY (It doesn't take half a tube to seal the caps) it wont affect the clearances. I've used it on my own car and have had NO issues with the cam journals. But like i said it has to be a VERY thin coat. Still anaerobic is the best to make damn sure everything is right. Thank you for pointing that out, i forgot to mention that. I'll edit the how-to.
It's all good man. FYI, the stuff from the dealer is a giant tube, way expensive and hard to get a hold of (dealerships only order by the case!). So if they don't have it, they probably won't order a case just to sell you 1 tube or at least mine wouldn't. You can pickup small tubes of the Permatex stuff at your local CarQuest/NAPA/etc for just a few bucks.
focus more on your exh cam than your intake cam tho.
yea i figured. I have my buddy Raven coming by to lend a hand, but weve never done 2.0 cams. At least i have 1-1.5 hours on the dyno. I kept the boost down, cause im not trying to tune the car as well. 21psi will do for now.
if you're stock/small turbo you may even want to try and Retard the intake 2-3* as well. the retarding the intake will help keep your powerband from dropping off past 5600 on your s3.
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