Yes, you did come off as stating that your work was 'excellent' and all AMM and I were trying to say was that if you are happy with the results then great. What I am trying to say is that I can see from the video that it is no where near the level of quality of several vendors on here (myself included) so we are just correcting your perspective.
And if CNC did say good luck, it's with good reason. If you don't have the experience in porting heads, chances are they are not balanced between all the ports, their individual shapes will most likely also be different and I'm sure the flow charts would show this as well.
Not trying to be mean, just trying to clarify where the pros are coming from.
The response was to Drastic, aka GroundHogDay!! Only because he called me out!!!
after it's all said & done, everyone who's looked at it, can't tell me one thing bad about what I did to it. I didn't reinvent the wheel. I simply stated, I took it upon myself to port & polish my own head. I built it to my spec, for what I plan to use\do with it.
every single person who buys a ported head, then puts it on, with a completely stock intake manifold just wasted your money!!!!
yeah all your ports are perfectly the same, but I have some bad news for you. The stock intake manifold design doesn't flow = to all cylinders. not to mention how it's only about 43mm on the opening at the head, vs 46mm at the opening on the stock cylinderhead casting.
you going to bitch at me too, for porting my intake manifold myself too!
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1. Kinda weird how a post about DCR turns into "look at me"
2. You came to me to ask me about machining a used head during the GB we had. We were only selling new assembled head. The good luck was referring to using a tiny little cam with a Stroker motor and you wanted to use Stock Springs and Retainers and the ability to retune with the new setup.
I have a bored out engine, no stroke.
I explained how I was weighting my options. The head I want isn't the head a guy with a 35R wants. 2 different areas of operation.
I'm using stock cams, stock springs, and retainers, why? because they can take 7500rpm safely. I know I reved stock spring\valve train to 7800rpm, before I did cams and a head in a 1st gen, then over 8000rpm was doable, even 9000 if you could get it that high.
I made no buts about it, I'm going 4 nozzle. stg3 car.
400whp on boost
over 500whp on spray!!!
you offer one cylinder head option, and it's not what I wanted, for what I'm planning. Not to mention that it cost me less then 800$ for me to produce the end results, fully assembled, all brand new parts, including the casting.
Wow. This is a go no where post. Hope this board doesn't turn into a bunch of Honda Guys. Cuz those guys love to flame each other.
Quote: Originally Posted by all_motor_mike
it kinda sounds like ur promoting his stuff over urs by saying that............... and thats no way to run a business.
mike
Mike,
I'd rather promote another business anyday of the week, then to burn a bridge. There is way too much work out there to have an issue with another cylinder head guy or whatever business it is. I wouldn't even be in business if it wasn't for all the Engine Builders and Cylinder Heads Port Designers that are willing to invest in our Company. Dude, I CNC program for one of my own competitors! Yes they too CNC heads. Its all good.
too bad MI is so far from CA. id havve to put some work on your poor s3. and +, not sure how you'd feel gettin youtube'd by drastic...
/bickering.
its all love in this bish!
I've seen what bolt on stg3's have done to you in Cali................. um we sip on 93-94 & I only run the 110+ leaded. Off the bottle it might be fun, on the bottle you will stand no chance.
I've seen what bolt on stg3's have done to you in Cali................. um we sip on 93-94 & I only run the 110+ leaded. Off the bottle it might be fun, on the bottle you will stand no chance.
see what you started.
LOL and whats that? w/ my old s60?
new setup: YouTube - holsetvsS3vs50trim
me 20psi/pump gas/meth. the same 47lb s3 that beat me by 6 cars last time. he is on 23psi. HOM. racegas/meth
imagine what itd be like for him if i added race gas...or even raised the psi 1-3psi on pump...
also ask reed32 for the video of me beating a 49lb s3. external gate. DCR Pro series head. 16's cams. tuned by reed and i on the dyno for 3hrs. him on race gas/25psi. me on 23psi/pump/meth. beat him by a car. on PUMP.
you would get WORKED! i love your ambition tho!
and my head from BOB isnt even on yet.
DRASTIC!
Last edited by 91PumpKing. : 06-30-2008 at 05:58 PM.
a ported head alone will nets gains ddog............. u dont need a worked over intake to make power with ur ported head, although it will help to make even more power,u dont need one............. and jason i know what u mean i was just messing with ya. thumbsup:
new setup: YouTube - holsetvsS3vs50trim
me 20psi/pump gas/meth. the same 47lb s3 that beat me by 6 cars last time. he is on 23psi. HOM. racegas/meth
imagine what itd be like for him if i added race gas...or even raised the psi 1-3psi on pump...
also ask reed32 for the video of me beating a 49lb s3. external gate. DCR Pro series head. 16's cams. tuned by reed and i on the dyno for 3hrs. him on race gas/25psi. me on 23psi/pump/meth. beat him by a car. on PUMP.
you would get WORKED! i love your ambition tho!
and my head from BOB isnt even on yet.
DRASTIC!
I know that both those cars are fast, but I ran a 11.87 at 121.98mph on a small shot of nitrous last year.
Welcome to this year, the car goes under the knife this week for the new head, wideban, 2000 egt, and 4nozzle. you can see what my car did on boost alone after the rebuild. I hold 27PSI+ in 4th gear.
I'm going to shoot for the moon no pun intended this year. I have all the tools for safety going in, and all forged internals for strength.
your not a nitrous guy, go watch my videos to see what nitrous does........
I will test the limits of the crank & block with what I plan. Your anus will be a distant 2nd. You've showed your cards, you haven't seen all of mine. I don't want to be a dick and talk about your lag problem. Try that with me, and you'll see what a bye, bye button does.
your not a nitrous guy, go watch my videos to see what nitrous does........
I will test the limits of the crank & block with what I plan. Your anus will be a distant 2nd. You've showed your cards, you haven't seen all of mine. I don't want to be a dick and talk about your lag problem. Try that with me, and you'll see what a bye, bye button does.
i seen your vids.
i might jump camp and go n20 too...after i max all this out.
and shit son, you havent seen my full hand either! all my races have been on pump gas and 20-22 psi!
i still got 6-7psi and c16oct to go!
and lag is no issue now. 20 by 3200. and making 400+ on pump.
new setup: YouTube - holsetvsS3vs50trim
me 20psi/pump gas/meth. the same 47lb s3 that beat me by 6 cars last time. he is on 23psi. HOM. racegas/meth
imagine what itd be like for him if i added race gas...or even raised the psi 1-3psi on pump...
also ask reed32 for the video of me beating a 49lb s3. external gate. DCR Pro series head. 16's cams. tuned by reed and i on the dyno for 3hrs. him on race gas/25psi. me on 23psi/pump/meth. beat him by a car. on PUMP.
you would get WORKED! i love your ambition tho!
and my head from BOB isnt even on yet.
DRASTIC!
Not to say anything bad about you, but that 47lb still has more in it too. I bet it could do 30psi and still make power. Your not too much ahead of that in fact I think the stage 3 would still pull on you. And with the dcr 49lb wheel your bragging about you said yourself in a thread that it wasn't tuned right and wasn't running right. how could you count that as a win. I say run that same 47lb stage 3 with it at like 28-30psi and you turn yours up as well than you can say you actually beat a stage 3....
Not to say anything bad about you, but that 47lb still has more in it too. I bet it could do 30psi and still make power. Your not too much ahead of that in fact I think the stage 3 would still pull on you. And with the dcr 49lb wheel your bragging about you said yourself in a thread that it wasn't tuned right and wasn't running right. how could you count that as a win. I say run that same 47lb stage 3 with it at like 28-30psi and you turn yours up as well than you can say you actually beat a stage 3....
fact is, its run what you brung. correct?
they agree to that, as do i.
your logic is missing. you say he can turn up the boost...no shit...as can i. he was on race gas. i was on pump. he was on 23psi. i was on 20psi. he was on HOM. i was on 20* rising to 25*.
it is what it is. put me and him at 28psi...id LOVE to see it. i spool IDENTICAL to him. thing is, itll never happen. we dont need nor want to boost that high to prove whos faster. we run our daily driven tunes, and thats that. its all friendly fun out here.
as for the 49lb s3...it is what it is. it had the DCR Pro series head. it WAS tuned right. we jus couldnt tune it to HOLD HOM.
i will tell you this...i have ANOTHER friend...almost same identical setup...49lb s3, built head, 12's, 3nozzle meth, full bolt ons...TUNED BY AARONNEON w/ an AEM EMS.
he made 400hp/420tq on pump, and made 420hp/450tq on racegas/meth and 26psi. it doesnt get any better than a full tune by aaronneon.
considering we did 400 on pump, and 415hp on racegas and 25psi, id say we are about as close to his numbers as it gets.
and fact is, i beat his car w/ me on pump, him on race. the tune was legit. we spent 3 fuckin hours tuning it. adjusting cams. adjusting fuel. dont act like you know our business.
ever hear the saying, "its an A and B conversation...so C your way the fuck out"...
not every1 runs their cars balls to the wall. geezer's car is a daily driven 400+hp/tq car that he commutes in. he has no desire to run 28psi. and neither do i.
we run w/ the agreed boosts and octane levels. i just state our outcome.
Last edited by 91PumpKing. : 07-01-2008 at 12:55 AM.
fact is, its run what you brung. correct?
they agree to that, as do i.
your logic is missing. you say he can turn up the boost...no shit...as can i. he was on race gas. i was on pump. he was on 23psi. i was on 20psi. he was on HOM. i was on 20* rising to 25*.
it is what it is. put me and him at 28psi...id LOVE to see it. i spool IDENTICAL to him.
as for the 49lb s3...it is what it is. it had the DCR Pro series head.
i will tell you this...i have ANOTHER friend...almost same identical setup...49lb s3, built head, 12's, 3nozzle meth, full bolt ons...TUNED BY AARONNEON.
he made 400hp/420tq on pump, and made 420hp/450tq on racegas/meth and 26psi. it doesnt get any better than a full tune by aaronneon.
considering we did 400 on pump, and 415hp on racegas and 25psi, id say we are about as close to his numbers as it gets.
and fact is, i beat his car w/ me on pump, him on race. the tune was legit. we spent 3 fuckin hours tuning it. adjusting cams. adjusting fuel. dont act like you know our business.
ever hear the saying, "its an A and B conversation...so C your way the fuck out"...
Ha ha ha did I hit a sensitive spot? I guess the truth hurts. Well here's some news for you buddy...your car isn't the fastest ever....
I guess you not being able to tune the car properly with it kicking out of hom which what dropped you 50hp? I know what you wrote up in your thread and to hear you brag about beating a car you couldn't get the tune exactly down on is...why? but I guess I will "c" my way out now as your too thick headed to know what a real kill is and what isn't...loser
I think I have seen a few pics in here before, have you searched just this section to see if there are any?
Also have you emailed anyone at dcr for them? I know I have a few pics of my own work that I sometimes share for customers...
Good luck!
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Ha ha ha did I hit a sensitive spot? I guess the truth hurts. Well here's some news for you buddy...your car isn't the fastest ever....
I guess you not being able to tune the car properly with it kicking out of hom which what dropped you 50hp? I know what you wrote up in your thread and to hear you brag about beating a car you couldn't get the tune exactly down on is...why? but I guess I will "c" my way out now as your too thick headed to know what a real kill is and what isn't...loser
sensitive? not at all...but dont butt in and add your 2cents and act like you know how me and reed32 tuned our boy's car.
did i say my car is the fastest ever? ahah...hell no. i just state the outcomes
of our races locally. tuning a 49lb wheel w/ higher cylinder pressures than intended (from comparison to a stock s3) makes it hard to hold hom. but eh, you're the man, and know whatsup. like i said, the race/pump tunes were spot on. HOM...not so much. dont bitch at me on that tho. i was the cam tuner, not the fuel tuner.
like i said tough guy...we race what we brung. and thats our everyday tune and all i was comparing is my pump gas car to their bigwheel s3 setups on racegas
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not to mention how it's only about 43mm on the opening at the head, vs 46mm at the opening on the stock cylinderhead casting. 
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