Curious as to how much I can run on a wet shot. I have read up and everyone says start small and go up. I understand that, but i was wonderin if anyone else had a similiar set up car as me, or had any ideas. This is gonna be my first nitros car so I dont know much about what my options are. I know I have to run wet, I think I wanna run a direct shot( not sure why direct is better than a fogger) what light can you guys shead on this build for me?
Mods:
50 trim dbb
3inch turbo back b&b
750 rcs
agp return line
0.20 wiseco pistons
crane 16's
bc rods
dtech fcbc
sct
aem wideband
walboro 255
solid mounts
agp 3in cia
bfmic
Also I want to run a water meth kit. Am I able to run nos and water meth? I was reading the different options between coolingmist and devils own and I am lost!! what one do I need?? Some seem a bit over the top and some too to be a lil shy of what I might need? I think? Someone help me please I am lost.
Curious as to how much I can run on a wet shot. I have read up and everyone says start small and go up. I understand that, but i was wonderin if anyone else had a similiar set up car as me, or had any ideas. This is gonna be my first nitros car so I dont know much about what my options are. I know I have to run wet, I think I wanna run a direct shot( not sure why direct is better than a fogger) what light can you guys shead on this build for me?
Mods:
50 trim dbb
3inch turbo back b&b
750 rcs
agp return line
0.20 wiseco pistons
crane 16's
bc rods
dtech fcbc
sct
aem wideband
walboro 255
solid mounts
agp 3in cia
bfmic
Also I want to run a water meth kit. Am I able to run nos and water meth? I was reading the different options between coolingmist and devils own and I am lost!! what one do I need?? Some seem a bit over the top and some too to be a lil shy of what I might need? I think? Someone help me please I am lost.
You can run meth and nitrous. I would suggest it since it will boost your Octane to keep you from det.
I dont have this setup, but you are going to have to limit the amount of boost you run. SO i would drop it 3 PSI from what you usually run on pump and throw a 35 shot. Then watch for knock, and AFR's. If all is good jump to a 50 shot. rinse and repeat.
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Do you know if I am capable of running c116, meth and nos?? I have heard of stock bottom ends running 100 shot, what do you think my max is??
the C116 and Meth and nos should and is doable. Its basically a bump in octane.. not entirely sure how much with both also you would need to consider the mix your running. But there are cases where people have ran 100 shots on stock bottoms, but i wouldnt unless it was a direct port setup. And for you i would prob drop the boost a few more pounds for your setup. Start low and work your way up. I would run say 18PSI METH and tune for that. Then add the C116 and say a 50 shot. If everything looks good raise the nitrous to 75 shot. If still looks good raise the boost. Just keep an eye on the AFR's and knock.
Ok the following is just my opinion and as you know opinions are like buttholes everyone has one.
I know alot of guys run meth and nitrous, but I don't see the point! it just adds more to the tuning equation and one more thing that can go wrong.
To answer your one question, guys have sprayed 100 on a stock block but I believe the guys who have done that on a regular basis were also on the stock turbo! You having a 50 trim makes things a bit different. You are tuning with a dtec and they are great for trimming fuel but they don't take timing into account. They trim fuel by hiding boost, so your gauge may see 15PSI but your motor is seeing 18PSI but running the timing for 15PSI.
Like Need4 said, you are gonna need to keep an eye on KR, Start small and work your way up.
Ok the following is just my opinion and as you know opinions are like buttholes everyone has one.
I know alot of guys run meth and nitrous, but I don't see the point! it just adds more to the tuning equation and one more thing that can go wrong.
To answer your one question, guys have sprayed 100 on a stock block but I believe the guys who have done that on a regular basis were also on the stock turbo! You having a 50 trim makes things a bit different. You are tuning with a dtec and they are great for trimming fuel but they don't take timing into account. They trim fuel by hiding boost, so your gauge may see 15PSI but your motor is seeing 18PSI but running the timing for 15PSI.
Like Need4 said, you are gonna need to keep an eye on KR, Start small and work your way up.
Good luck puttingall of this power to the ground.
I am not sure if my sct will help with timing or not. I am not planning on running the n20 all the time just at the track, even if its not that much. Getting the power to ground will come with driving it, not worried about that. I dont know what "kr" is, can someone explain this? How do I keep my eye on whateve KR is? thanks guys.
I am not sure if my sct will help with timing or not. I am not planning on running the n20 all the time just at the track, even if its not that much. Getting the power to ground will come with driving it, not worried about that. I dont know what "kr" is, can someone explain this? How do I keep my eye on whateve KR is? thanks guys.
SCT can scale back timing. ANd KR is knock retard. The computer sees knock and pulls it back in .5 increments. (atleast according to my DSP) You wanna aim for NONE.
You can use a scan gauge. I don't have a DSP (yet) so I don't know if you can data log your timing and KR with it or not. I'll let the smarter guys answer that one.
You can use a scan gauge. I don't have a DSP (yet) so I don't know if you can data log your timing and KR with it or not. I'll let the smarter guys answer that one.
I dont kow what DSP is either. sory for all the questions, just tryin to learn some. I know there are many kits out there, but what kit is the most cost effective buy?? and what all will I need to buy?? Thanks again guys
I dont kow what DSP is either. sory for all the questions, just tryin to learn some. I know there are many kits out there, but what kit is the most cost effective buy?? and what all will I need to buy?? Thanks again guys
I really think you need to do a total SRT-4 Reset. I'm assuming you have recently purchased the car and now you want to modifiy it futher?
You my friend need to do some reading and REALLY understand what mods you already have before you do more to the car.
Goto the turbo, engine section and read all the stickies learn about:
- tuning devices and how they affect your car and which one is best for your application
- as much as you possibly can about the turbo kit that is currently on your car
Judging by your mod list you should have a car that capable of close if not making 400whp!! That is a TON of power for a front wheel drive sport compact that weighs @ 2800 pounds
and now you want to add nitrous? word of warning, nitrous is a "honors "class, it's not a "intro to" class. You need to learn about your car more before you even consider throwing nitrous into the mix.
besides you might blow the welds off of your intake manifold.
I really think you need to do a total SRT-4 Reset. I'm assuming you have recently purchased the car and now you want to modifiy it futher?
You my friend need to do some reading and REALLY understand what mods you already have before you do more to the car.
Goto the turbo, engine section and read all the stickies learn about:
- tuning devices and how they affect your car and which one is best for your application
- as much as you possibly can about the turbo kit that is currently on your car
Judging by your mod list you should have a car that capable of close if not making 400whp!! That is a TON of power for a front wheel drive sport compact that weighs @ 2800 pounds
and now you want to add nitrous? word of warning, nitrous is a "honors "class, it's not a "intro to" class. You need to learn about your car more before you even consider throwing nitrous into the mix.
besides you might blow the welds off of your intake manifold.
By no means was the car recently purchased. I have had the car for over 2 years now and it was bone stock when I bought her. Yes, she is making 400 to the ground on pump gas. As far as me knowing everythin about the car, your right I dont know all the technical stuff my dtech or my sct can do. I dont tune cars, nor would I want to mess with that stuff. I pay my tuner for that But I was unaware that there was a section for specific turbo's. I'll look into that. Oh and by the way, whats a dsp??
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By no means was the car recently purchased. I have had the car for over 2 years now and it was bone stock when I bought her. Yes, she is making 400 to the ground on pump gas. As far as me knowing everythin about the car, your right I dont know all the technical stuff my dtech or my sct can do. I dont tune cars, nor would I want to mess with that stuff. I pay my tuner for that But I was unaware that there was a section for specific turbo's. I'll look into that. Oh and by the way, whats a dsp??
This post is now certified as FAIL!!
I'm sure the other guys will help you but I'm out. Tuner or no tuner learn your friggin car!!!
By no means was the car recently purchased. I have had the car for over 2 years now and it was bone stock when I bought her. Yes, she is making 400 to the ground on pump gas. As far as me knowing everythin about the car, your right I dont know all the technical stuff my dtech or my sct can do. I dont tune cars, nor would I want to mess with that stuff. I pay my tuner for that But I was unaware that there was a section for specific turbo's. I'll look into that. Oh and by the way, whats a dsp??
DSP =Diablo Sport Predator one of many tuner devices for our cars...my set up is milder than yours but somewhat similar. Stock motor w/50 trim & plenty of fuel support. I will be hitting the gas w/my set up this year which is why I ditched my SAFC2 for a AEM FIC. In anticipation of juice I've already pulled 3 PSI and 5* of timing.
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I'm sure the other guys will help you but I'm out. Tuner or no tuner learn your friggin car!!!
Rhunter give the guy a break we are better then that in the nitrous section.
To the OP if you have cash in hand to pay for what you want then take it to "your tunner" tell then the goal and then pay for it. We can help to a certain point but if you dont know the car well you cant help us know the car to help you.
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But I was unaware that there was a section for specific turbo's. I'll look into that. Oh and by the way, whats a dsp??
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