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Old 07-17-2008, 10:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Ignition retard??!

So what is everyone using? I know about the MSD DIS2 but does it require a different tach driver than the SAFC2? Any other good options? DIS2 is kinda spendy! Now that I have a decent tune on the 50 trim, not sure if I'll need more than a 50 shot anyway (sort of like the way it sounds...50 trim w/a 50 shot, that's how I roll!). Do I need to retard ignition for that small a shot?
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So what is everyone using? I know about the MSD DIS2 but does it require a different tach driver than the SAFC2? Any other good options? DIS2 is kinda spendy! Now that I have a decent tune on the 50 trim, not sure if I'll need more than a 50 shot anyway (sort of like the way it sounds...50 trim w/a 50 shot, that's how I roll!). Do I need to retard ignition for that small a shot?

I do know that one of my buddys tried to get the SAFC+50 trim+50 shot thing working and two motors latter gave up. The SAFC hides boost so you get more timing (you know that), try a way small shot and work up till you see knock. Nitrous jets are way cheaper then a rebuild.
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Old 07-17-2008, 12:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I do know that one of my buddys tried to get the SAFC+50 trim+50 shot thing working and two motors latter gave up. The SAFC hides boost so you get more timing (you know that), try a way small shot and work up till you see knock. Nitrous jets are way cheaper then a rebuild.

Was he using any type of ignition retard?
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Was he using any type of ignition retard?

Not that I know of, and I havent read about anyone really using enought nitrous that they "need" to pull timing. The guys that are running S3 for example I think are comp controled so the PCM pulls the timing needed.
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I think Im just not thinking right now, **been a long day at work**

But how can you pull timing on our cars ? advance or retard ??
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DIS 2 has a input for solenoid on/off when you spray it can automatically retard your timing to a set point that you choose and then return to normal timing when your not spraying. Look it on msd's website. Seems like a good thing to try if your using stock pcm.
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Just talked to my tuner, he says it's time to upgrade engine management before going w/the spray....looks like a AEM FIC is in my future.
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i thought that for a 50 shot it was not needed, hell 75 shot either.
how bout a stg2 pcm????? will it do the difference??
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i thought that for a 50 shot it was not needed, hell 75 shot either.
how bout a stg2 pcm????? will it do the difference??

On a stock turbo, stg 0 pcm no retard is required but I'm pushing 400 whp w/a stock pcm...staged pcms will ADD timing, just the opposite of what you want w/ N2O.
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I think Im just not thinking right now, **been a long day at work**

But how can you pull timing on our cars ? advance or retard ??

using a standalone pcm like AEM or a piggyback like DIS2 or FIC.
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