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Old 10-21-2008, 02:05 PM   #31 (permalink)
 
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It's my understanding that the intake mark should be 1/2 a tooth above the exhaust?? That's how I have mine and it runs, it's just got a nasty lob to it.. So who knows.. Maybe it's just a bit too much.

According to the service manual that I just looked at the marks should line up.. UGH looks like I'm going in again.. :/

LOL. that kinda sucks but you gotta get that timing on or you get that lob. like you said it still runs though. mine didnt even start so i gotta go back in agaiin too.
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u110c?? you should be pulling a p code of come sort. turn your keys 3 times if your pulling codes. it should look like this P0110.. or something like that. also when you turned the car it did not turn over. ok so did you ever take the valve cover off to verify your cams them selfs are ligned up?? the holes on the cams should be facing up. the cam gears should be ligned up. also the crank gear arrow should be ligned up with the oil pump arrow. so you have to have those 3 things for timing to be right.
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u110c?? you should be pulling a p code of come sort. turn your keys 3 times if your pulling codes. it should look like this P0110.. or something like that. also when you turned the car it did not turn over. ok so did you ever take the valve cover off to verify your cams them selfs are ligned up?? the holes on the cams should be facing up. the cam gears should be ligned up. also the crank gear arrow should be ligned up with the oil pump arrow. so you have to have those 3 things for timing to be right.



thanks grease monkey i appreciate your help you wil lbe credited in this how to as well. ill get it apart and let you guys know what i did wrong and what i had to do to fix it atleast by this weekend
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yea no problem. im glad to help out any way possible. let me know if you are still stuck and you need more help.
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I finshed my timing issue no i just have top clean up my engine bay and post the how to. it really isnt that complicated but there are two notches on either side of my cam and since i saw one i paid no mind to the cam itself it said up to insure you would be 180 degrees off. i took the valve cover off and maid sure everything was lined up. I didnt even take the harmonic balancer off to adjust it i just set to tdc withouth and boom cams were aligned "not perfect but just like you sadi grease monkey a tooth is 7 degrees" started right up. ill be posting the how to soon.
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awesome glad you got it working now man. glad to help you out too.
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please include lot of pictures cuz i may be doing this with my friend jaydaw thanks man
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Yah I got mine working as well.. 3rd time it was perfect!! And it runs really good now. The biggest issue I had by far was getting the engine shit bracket on and off. weeeeeeeeeak.. BAD design Dodge!
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Yah I got mine working as well.. 3rd time it was perfect!! And it runs really good now. The biggest issue I had by far was getting the engine shit bracket on and off. weeeeeeeeeak.. BAD design Dodge!

I agree that has to be the hardest and most annoying part of the job
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out of curiousity does your guy's cars do the "lope" thing every now and then? cause mine has ever since i did this. at firsti thought i fucked up timing but then it quit doin doin it and then it came back. did the whole go away andcome back thing like 10 times. it only slightly does it on ocasion(sp) now. i think i need a new tensioner, idk.
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out of curiousity does your guy's cars do the "lope" thing every now and then? cause mine has ever since i did this. at firsti thought i fucked up timing but then it quit doin doin it and then it came back. did the whole go away andcome back thing like 10 times. it only slightly does it on ocasion(sp) now. i think i need a new tensioner, idk.


Do you notice it more when you start it in the morning? Is it during the a wheather change? i noticed mine was lopeing when i first started it but it hadnt been ran for atleast two months. it was in the shop for new clutch rod bearings then once i drove it home from the shop my belt jumped BOOOOO!! when i did the timing i did notice a lope but now just a little miss every now and then im going to have to do it again this weekend
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i dont know i have kinda give up on the mother. if it blows upthen ill have afully built motor, if not oh well. i havent drove the focker in like two weeks. and it hadnt done it for a couple days then.
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I want to thank all you guys for your help and patience. I would like to give a special thanks to GreaseMonkey for putting up with my pms and lending a huge hand with this project.

To start off with I would like to say if you dont have a pair of these purple gloves just forget about even atttempting this job.

Down to business. I would suggest taking a look between the Firewall and your turbo for a good amount of clearance. I only had about half an inch to an inch at the most so I had to drop it behind the motor.





Remove your accesory belts next. This is very easy and will only take a few minutes. For the power steering/ac drive belt all you have to do is turn the tensioner and boom your done.



The alternator is a bit differant. Just behind the bracket, near the firewall there is a bolt, just loosten that and the belt will become looser. (will post pic soon)

Remove the power steering pump from the Motor mount engine bracket by removing three bolts. To lighten the stress and hand cramps, grab a few extensions to loosen these bolts from the opposite side of the manifold.





mind that sensor



Place something under the motor for support without binding the motor. Begin to remove the motor mount, motor mount strut bracket and two bolts holding the motor mount to the motor mount engine bracket. Remove the five bolts given your ground is located in the same spot mine is and slide the whole assembly to the left. There is a bolt in the frame rail for support but you do not want that to hold your motor in place especially since you need that to come out a little later



(OPTIONAL) Take the valve cover off for more referances and more accurate timing. These cam holes can provide great second opinions depending your angle to the cam gears.



Look just behind your passenger side wheel you will see either a star pattern bolt or a piece of black plastice covering the bolt. This is the bolt you will need to pull for this to happen. Male sure you have the motor supported tightly so it doesnt just drop when performing this step.



Once this bolt is removed the motor should move freely. Begin to jack the motor up practically to where the top most part of the Rear Timing Belt cover is nearly flush with the bottom of the windshield cowl wheather strip.



Once you have the motor to this level its time to tackle the three bolts holding the motor mount enigine bracket to the block itself. At this stage and even with the motor at this heigth this is still a difficult part of this task.



The third is hidden under a lip in the engine bracket. I found it easier to get a wrench on it and take my time like in the picture above.



As said before this part of this task is very trying and will require a little bit of shaking and prying to get this part out due to the limited amount of space.



Pay close attention to your temp gauge harness (I believe thats what that is) and dont break it like I did. Thankfully i just broke the clip.



((OPTIONAL) take your passenger side wheel off for easy and wider work
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Next you will have to break the Harmonic Balancer Bolt loose. I simply did this old school. II got a large wrench and pried it against the axle and simply "BUMPED" the motor and boom 15 seconds it was done.



I would strongly advice getting Special Tool #OTC6267 the Chrysler harmonic balancer puller. This tool will makes pulling this pulley a piece of cake. You can rent one if you have an autozone near.



Once the blancer is off pull the bottom front Timing Belt cover off to reveal the bealt and expose the tensioner. With a 6mm allen key and crank of a wrench to loosen the tensioner your belt will come off. With the tensioner bolt loose simply turn the allen key left for less tension and right for more. At the bottom make sure your timing marks are all lined up (sorry no pics it was dark at this time and i didnt get any good ones). Pay close attention to the cam gears and try not to let the crank sprocket move while your doing this.

I noticed there where two marks on my cam gear sprockets. Make sure the marks are lined up and you can read the words "UP" on each sprocket.

This Pic Illustrates perfectly the two marks on my cams



Even as close as they are I am still off. I can feel it when its cold but warm i cant tell a differance. I have re done it since then its worth the piece of mind.



With your belt on use your tensioner to seal the deal. Stick the allen key through the hole designated for it on the tensioner and turn it counter clockwise. Tighten the tensioner bolt and your pretty much done.



Before putting anything back together I would advice you give it a quick crank just to check your work. I was wrongg once and it is no fun to do this two days in a row.

After you get a start work backwards and boo-yah you just did your timing.

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please ask any info o let me know if you feel i have left something out
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