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Old 11-06-2012, 11:09 PM   #31 (permalink)
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i dont give a fuck what you got.Im just letting you know that stock turbo making 295whp and holding 275whp will trap higher than a stock turbo making 300 and holding 250whp

Top end its what kills mph.
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i dont give a fuck what you got.Im just letting you know that stock turbo making 295whp and holding 275whp will trap higher than a stock turbo making 300 and holding 250whp

Top end its what kills mph.

You were doing good til that last sentence....Lmao
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what kills the mph then?help me understand
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what kills the mph then?help me understand

Loss of boost, tune,lack of mods.
For a stock turbo to do 114+mph is great.
For it to do 117 118 is pushing the limits in a good way, very few will get there.
I did 115mph @295hp,349tq with a 2.0 60' not good. That was then, hoping for better soon before I move on. The 115mph was with 100oct. Not E-85 and was 2006.
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i dont give a fuck what you got.Im just letting you know that stock turbo making 295whp and holding 275whp will trap higher than a stock turbo making 300 and holding 250whp

Top end its what kills mph.



Calm down there lassie.. You trying to educate me on stockers is laughable. If these guys did 310hp on a MD PEAK, that means if they did 275hp at redline on a MUSTANG DYNO, that means they are STILL 300-305hp at REDLINE per a DYNOJET. And if that is the case, then they should trap 116-118...not 114's.
Do you understand what I am saying? Hm? That further proves what I am getting at...that the MD's are very generous dynos that those 300hp stockers dynod on. PERIOD. NO MORE. NO LESS.
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Calm down there lassie.. You trying to educate me on stockers is laughable. If these guys did 310hp on a MD PEAK, that means if they did 275hp at redline on a MUSTANG DYNO, that means they are STILL 300-305hp at REDLINE per a DYNOJET. And if that is the case, then they should trap 116-118...not 114's.
Do you understand what I am saying? Hm? That further proves what I am getting at...that the MD's are very generous dynos that those 300hp stockers dynod on. PERIOD. NO MORE. NO LESS.

mustang dyno, dyno jet/ who gives a fuck. some mustang dynos read high some read low.
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Loss of boost, tune,lack of mods.
For a stock turbo to do 114+mph is great.
For it to do 117 118 is pushing the limits in a good way, very few will get there.
I did 115mph @295hp,349tq with a 2.0 60' not good. That was then, hoping for better soon before I move on. The 115mph was with 100oct. Not E-85 and was 2006.

loss of boost, tune, lack of mods will result in shietty powerband, ok? we all know that

looking at dyno charts on here , same bolt ons , fuel, tuner
cars that made more power on top traped higher.
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This is actually a pretty cool thread. If I were you I would change the title to something like

"the official E85 & Stock turbo dyno number thread." Hopefully you will get the data you are looking for. Just some thoughts and opinions.


- If you guys are serious about spiking 28 pounds of boost while running ungodly amounts of timing, I highly recommend some way to monitor EGT's


- The high torque numbers are you are seeing from stock turbo/e-85 cars is from the ginormous boost spike. IE, 28 PSI on those like tiny turbo's.


- When comparing trap speeds (which usually never lie), please consider the wieght of the car.

E85 is probably the BEST thing to EVER happen to the stock turbo'd SRT-4's I'm really suprised that Nick's stock turbo record has not been beaten yet.
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Yeah lets compare my ONE 114.5 MPH test pass to my old 300hp-400tq set up and call it bullshit LOL This is a joke.

My car made 310HP and 436 tq on a mustang dyno on my own tune. Never went to the track with that tune so stop comparing my times to a setup/tune I didnt even have yet. There were no correction factors. Boombas dyno is known to read low. Subaru guys get pissed at every dyno day for shit numbers. All the stage 3 cars that day made power numbers similar to what other stage 3 cars do on mustang dynos.

This was a good thread till someone called bullshit. My numbers were never called bullshit before over a year ago. Dont know why all of the sudden now they are "inflated".

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Yeah lets compare my ONE 114.5 MPH test pass to my old 300hp-400tq set up and call it bullshit LOL This is a joke.

My car made 310HP and 436 tq on a mustang dyno on my own tune. Never went to the track with that tune so stop comparing my times to a setup/tune I didnt even have yet. There were no correction factors. Boombas dyno is known to read low. Subaru guys get pissed at every dyno day for shit numbers. All the stage 3 cars that day made power numbers similar to what other stage 3 cars do on mustang dynos.

This was a good thread till someone called bullshit. My numbers were never called bullshit before over a year ago. Dont know why all of the sudden now they are "inflated".


oh well all knew they where inflated, and full of so much bullshit the cornbelt of america wouldn't need to buy manure for a decade.

Just giving ya shit

i really don't care what the dyno read, i care about trap times, and 114 on a stocker is pretty damn good IMO, but like was mentioned, the HUGE torque comes from the high ass spike on the stock turbo, which IMMEDIATELY drops off back to normal numbers after the spike has passed.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Racerxvsspeedracer View Post
Loss of boost, tune,lack of mods.
For a stock turbo to do 114+mph is great.
For it to do 117 118 is pushing the limits in a good way, very few will get there.
I did 115mph @295hp,349tq with a 2.0 60' not good. That was then, hoping for better soon before I move on. The 115mph was with 100oct. Not E-85 and was 2006.

all my time slips where with a 1.8 60, im sure i could of trapped 115 with a 2.0 60ft.

but its all good = ) im over that old stocker stuff

also my tq spike did nothing for my runs. haha, it fell off before 4k anyways. another thing i normally ran 23-24 psi, but in 4th gear on a 2500 rpm dyno run that HO spiked some boost.... i didnt have it set, the pcm did it haha
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- The high torque numbers are you are seeing from stock turbo/e-85 cars is from the ginormous boost spike. IE, 28 PSI on those like tiny turbo's.

E85 is probably the BEST thing to EVER happen to the stock turbo'd SRT-4's I'm really surprised that Nick's stock turbo record has not been beaten yet.

I wrote the first E85 stock turbo tune using my 1025cc injectors on my on car way back on September 2010. I quickly realized that E85 can fill the large performance gap between stock turbo and entry level big turbos. Ever since I've been heavily promoting stock turbo E85 use. Now I am arguably the #1 proliferator of stock turbo E85 tunes with over 200 injector/tune packages sold so far. So most dynos you'll see are using my E85 base tune.

When tunerlover3 was on one of my first E85 base tunes, he made just 9hp less than his current best. As Dan said already the A/F weren't great but shows that there not much more the stock turbo can do.

Most dynos I've seen from my customers range around 290whp all the way up to 341whp. But if you ever ask me what my tunes will do I'd say around "300-325whp--DEPENDING ON THE DYNO"

Now with that said, I will never condone 27-28psi spikes from a stock turbo. Its just too hard on the turbo and the high air temps are counter productive. 20-23psi, which is where my tunes are setup for, is more than enough to deliver great performance without needlessly beating on the turbo.
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I heavily promoted stock turbo E85 use nearly 2 year ago and I am arguably the #1 proliferator of stock turbo E85 tunes with over 200 injector/tune packages sold so far. So most dynos you'll see are using my E85 base tune.

When tunerlover3 was on one of my first E85 base tunes, he made just 9hp less than his current best. As Dan said already the A/F weren't great but shows that there not much more the stock turbo can do.

Most dynos I've seen from my customers range around 290whp all the way up to 341whp. But if you ever ask me what my tunes will do I'd say around "300-325whp--DEPENDING ON THE DYNO"

Now with that said, I will never condone 27-28psi spikes from a stock turbo. Its just too hard on the turbo and the high air temps are counter productive. 20-23psi, which is where my tunes are setup for, is more than enough to deliver great performance without needlessly beating on the turbo.



i know keep your tunes and settings locked and secret(as i would too not complaining on that) but how did dan take your tune and change it with his CMR? unless you talkin about him just tweaking with the handheld???
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i know keep your tunes and settings locked and secret(as i would too not complaining on that) but how did dan take your tune and change it with his CMR? unless you talkin about him just tweaking with the handheld???

Dan has a few unlocked versions of my very early E85 tunes. He's been free to do with them as he wants. His early posts sold a lot of tunes for me so I have no issue with it.

I've change them quite a bit since then but now Dan uses his own tune and the 310whp was on his own tune, again +9hp from my early base tune. Obviously, there will always be an advantage to a custom Dyno tune.
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i know keep your tunes and settings locked and secret(as i would too not complaining on that) but how did dan take your tune and change it with his CMR? unless you talkin about him just tweaking with the handheld???

Like Dave said, I do have some unlocked first versions of his E85 tune. BUT in the end I ran my own custom tune when I had the stock turbo.

When I made 300HP and 400TQ, It was with daves tune and me adding some timing and boost with the handheld.

When I made 310HP and 436TQ, it was on my own custom tune.

Im pretty sure with a more aggresive AFR, I would have made more. But really there is not much more to squeeze out on the stock turbo/manifold/o2 housing.
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