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tunerlover3 · 11-22-2012, 08:17 AM

I agree with you Ralph. The numbers and the circumstances do seem odd.

Rereading the OP, the car run out of fuel at 317hp and 425tq with the stage 2 injectors. At least that is what I see.

Rhunter · 11-22-2012, 08:22 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by tunerlover3

I agree with you Ralph. The numbers and the circumstances do seem odd.

Rereading the OP, the car run out of fuel at 317hp and 425tq with the stage 2 injectors. At least that is what I see.

yeah I went and re-read it as well. It seems like an improvement over stock. Carries boost and the torque spike out a bit further before it dies at read line. Now I'd like to see the timing, and the knock count with the knock sensor actually hooked up.

LOL

tunerlover3 · 11-22-2012, 08:24 AM

I would like to know how much more this turbo flows vs a stock wheel.

Stock is 32? Lbs/min while a E1 is like 37.

This turbo is still technically a stock wheel with a extended tip and billet.

tunerlover3 · 11-22-2012, 08:25 AM

I think another problem is the review could have been drawn up better. Information on the car is kinda scattered. The read is a little confusing.

rrodney24 · 11-22-2012, 09:12 AM

im just the messenger guys. he sent me this

Please forward this to the srtforums thread:
"RHunter: Nowhere did we ever claim it holds 25psi? I openly stated in the write-up that it drops down to 16psi by 6000rpm. You can clearly see the car is hitting 28psi and there's no knock from it. The only blip of knock you see there is where the car is leaning out.
Chicagoskittle: 104-108% injector duty cycle...leaning out...all signs of not enough injector.

If anyone has any questions, you're welcome to email me at matthew.cresto@gmail.com and I'll answer them the best that I can.

Ridin59vette · 11-22-2012, 09:41 AM

This just got interesting

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coltenr · 11-22-2012, 10:27 AM

Interesting thread. definately need to get facts straight though. I'm subscribing.

**guhfluh** · 11-22-2012, 10:47 AM

I'd like to see the IAT on that pull, but only because I'm curious. The facts given are pretty decent and not unbelievable to me. A 1:1 regulator or larger injectors should be safer, but there's nothing showing that it would or could make any more power with them.

Dragoncustompc · 11-22-2012, 10:55 AM

Its seems to make good power but still has the same flaw the stock turbo has. no top end. at least with a bws or E1 u get better topend. and Certainly the exhaust manifold makes a difference.

rrodney24 · 11-22-2012, 11:19 AM

Matt Cresto
STOCK WHEEL
RPM - Boost - IAT
2000 - 2.72psi - 57.39
2500 - 18.59psi - 59.19
3000 - 26.27psi - 60.99
3500 - 27.94psi - 60.99
4000 - 23.96psi - 59.19
4500 - 20.42psi - 59.19
5000 - 17.40psi - 60.99
5500 - 15.11psi - 62.79
6000 - 14.26psi - 66.39
6283 - 13.22psi - 68.19
BATMOWHEEL
RPM - Boost - Inj. DC% - IAT
2000 - 4.29psi - 14.49% - 59.19
2500 - 18.9psi - 39.09% - 60.99
3000 - 27.96psi - 68.28% - 60.99
3500 - 28.32psi - 88.17% - 60.99
4000 - 27.37psi - 98.19% - 60.99
4500 - 25.08psi - 106.82% - 60.99
5000 - 21.31psi - 100.73% - 62.79
5500 - 18.32psi - 91.62% - 64.59
6000 - 16.99psi - 86.23% - 68.19
6300 - 16.03psi - 84.6% - 69.99

rrodney24 · 11-22-2012, 11:40 AM

more info added

**guhfluh** · 11-22-2012, 12:44 PM

Is that post intercooler temp or pre turbo temp? I don't know what their designated acronyms are on the srt4, but I was wanting post intercooler temps and that doesn't seem to be accurate unless it's in Celcius or pre turbo temps. I don't remember seeing what intercooler(I'll go look again), but I believe the stock IC wouldn't do that well or te pull wasn't at sustained rpm for long enough for temps to climb much. It's simply hard to believe a stock turbo running that much boost has as low or lower IAT's than my car with a DBB Delta65, 28x12x4" IC and WMI.

Is there any WMI injection before the IAT sensor?

mole' · 11-22-2012, 12:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by guhfluh

Is that post intercooler temp or pre turbo temp? I don't know what their designated acronyms are on the srt4, but I was wanting post intercooler temps and that doesn't seem to be accurate unless it's in Celcius or pre turbo temps. I don't remember seeing what intercooler(I'll go look again), but I believe the stock IC wouldn't do that well or te pull wasn't at sustained rpm for long enough for temps to climb much. It's simply hard to believe a stock turbo running that much boost has as low or lower IAT's than my car with a DBB Delta65, 28x12x4" IC and WMI.

Is there any WMI injection before the IAT sensor?

Good points

**guhfluh** · 11-22-2012, 01:33 PM

It states that it has a Godspeed FMIC...not sure of the sizes of those. Celcius seems plausible though. 57*C=134*F and 70*C=158*F

mcresto · 11-22-2012, 01:42 PM

Ok, I registered so I could answer the questions directly. My appologies to rrodney24 for him having to be a messenger, lol.

The temps are all in F, there is NO water meth injection on the car, and are POST intercooler. Ambient temps were between 57 and 61 degrees.

Here's the datalog in a spreadsheet format. I've seen several people ask for timing numbers....come on now...no tuner gives away every detail of how they did something...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...004U0J6cHB0bkE

keep the questions coming.

11-22-2012, 08:17 AM	#46 (permalink)
tunerlover3 Fresh Meat Moderator Join Date: Dec 2009 Member Number: 76568 Location: Chicago Posts: 16,617	I agree with you Ralph. The numbers and the circumstances do seem odd. Rereading the OP, the car run out of fuel at 317hp and 425tq with the stage 2 injectors. At least that is what I see. __________________ Diablo CMR tuner ~Dan~ 2004 Black Neon SRT4: E85 stock turbo SOLD 310HP 436TQ 2004 Eblue Neon SRT4: E85 5558 XXXHP XXXTQ

11-22-2012, 08:22 AM	#47 (permalink)
Rhunter SRTforums Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Member Number: 36794 Location: LOCASH Posts: 10,488	Quote: Originally Posted by tunerlover3 I agree with you Ralph. The numbers and the circumstances do seem odd. Rereading the OP, the car run out of fuel at 317hp and 425tq with the stage 2 injectors. At least that is what I see. yeah I went and re-read it as well. It seems like an improvement over stock. Carries boost and the torque spike out a bit further before it dies at read line. Now I'd like to see the timing, and the knock count with the knock sensor actually hooked up. LOL __________________ Nunca Levanta! EL RALFO RACING.COM "A Lotta turbo, Small motor, and a GO pedal!!!"

11-22-2012, 08:24 AM	#48 (permalink)
tunerlover3 Fresh Meat Moderator Join Date: Dec 2009 Member Number: 76568 Location: Chicago Posts: 16,617	I would like to know how much more this turbo flows vs a stock wheel. Stock is 32? Lbs/min while a E1 is like 37. This turbo is still technically a stock wheel with a extended tip and billet. __________________ Diablo CMR tuner ~Dan~ 2004 Black Neon SRT4: E85 stock turbo SOLD 310HP 436TQ 2004 Eblue Neon SRT4: E85 5558 XXXHP XXXTQ

11-22-2012, 08:25 AM	#49 (permalink)
tunerlover3 Fresh Meat Moderator Join Date: Dec 2009 Member Number: 76568 Location: Chicago Posts: 16,617	I think another problem is the review could have been drawn up better. Information on the car is kinda scattered. The read is a little confusing. __________________ Diablo CMR tuner ~Dan~ 2004 Black Neon SRT4: E85 stock turbo SOLD 310HP 436TQ 2004 Eblue Neon SRT4: E85 5558 XXXHP XXXTQ

11-22-2012, 09:12 AM	#50 (permalink)
rrodney24 SRTforums Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Member Number: 79022 Location: Delray Beach Fl Posts: 622	im just the messenger guys. he sent me this Please forward this to the srtforums thread: "RHunter: Nowhere did we ever claim it holds 25psi? I openly stated in the write-up that it drops down to 16psi by 6000rpm. You can clearly see the car is hitting 28psi and there's no knock from it. The only blip of knock you see there is where the car is leaning out. Chicagoskittle: 104-108% injector duty cycle...leaning out...all signs of not enough injector. If anyone has any questions, you're welcome to email me at matthew.cresto@gmail.com and I'll answer them the best that I can. __________________ Rare Rb1 radio for sale aux and 6 cd http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f418...-input-635972/

11-22-2012, 09:41 AM	#51 (permalink)
Ridin59vette SRTforums Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Member Number: 86347 Location: Albany Posts: 1,093	This just got interesting SCH-I510 using AutoGuide.C __________________ 04 SRT-4: Under Construction 99 9-3: Daily Driver FS Thread: http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f416...5/#post9777568

11-22-2012, 10:27 AM	#52 (permalink)
coltenr SRTforums Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Member Number: 90842 Location: jax Posts: 31	Interesting thread. definately need to get facts straight though. I'm subscribing.

11-22-2012, 10:47 AM	#53 (permalink)
guhfluh Premium Member (Lifetime) Join Date: Jun 2003 Member Number: 1745 Location: Southeast, LA Posts: 1,786	I'd like to see the IAT on that pull, but only because I'm curious. The facts given are pretty decent and not unbelievable to me. A 1:1 regulator or larger injectors should be safer, but there's nothing showing that it would or could make any more power with them. __________________ Hello guhfluh it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution or just engage in a conversation with another member in any one of our forums?

11-22-2012, 10:55 AM	#54 (permalink)
Dragoncustompc Supporting Vendor (Gold) SRTotM Moderator Join Date: Dec 2009 Member Number: 76531 Location: Red Lion, PA Posts: 6,823	Its seems to make good power but still has the same flaw the stock turbo has. no top end. at least with a bws or E1 u get better topend. and Certainly the exhaust manifold makes a difference. __________________ Sales assistant for Forward Motion Inc<- Click link email sales@forwardmotioninc.com Phone (302)-658-2829 12.8 @108. 312hp/371trq on 93 pump gas. E1 turbo, FM manifold, FM intercooler, FM wastegate. DynoTuned by Nigel, El Ralfo Racing driver

11-22-2012, 11:19 AM	#55 (permalink)
rrodney24 SRTforums Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Member Number: 79022 Location: Delray Beach Fl Posts: 622	Matt Cresto STOCK WHEEL RPM - Boost - IAT 2000 - 2.72psi - 57.39 2500 - 18.59psi - 59.19 3000 - 26.27psi - 60.99 3500 - 27.94psi - 60.99 4000 - 23.96psi - 59.19 4500 - 20.42psi - 59.19 5000 - 17.40psi - 60.99 5500 - 15.11psi - 62.79 6000 - 14.26psi - 66.39 6283 - 13.22psi - 68.19 BATMOWHEEL RPM - Boost - Inj. DC% - IAT 2000 - 4.29psi - 14.49% - 59.19 2500 - 18.9psi - 39.09% - 60.99 3000 - 27.96psi - 68.28% - 60.99 3500 - 28.32psi - 88.17% - 60.99 4000 - 27.37psi - 98.19% - 60.99 4500 - 25.08psi - 106.82% - 60.99 5000 - 21.31psi - 100.73% - 62.79 5500 - 18.32psi - 91.62% - 64.59 6000 - 16.99psi - 86.23% - 68.19 6300 - 16.03psi - 84.6% - 69.99 __________________ Rare Rb1 radio for sale aux and 6 cd http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f418...-input-635972/ Last edited by rrodney24; 11-22-2012 at 11:32 AM.

11-22-2012, 11:40 AM	#56 (permalink)
rrodney24 SRTforums Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Member Number: 79022 Location: Delray Beach Fl Posts: 622	more info added __________________ Rare Rb1 radio for sale aux and 6 cd http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f418...-input-635972/

11-22-2012, 12:44 PM	#57 (permalink)
guhfluh Premium Member (Lifetime) Join Date: Jun 2003 Member Number: 1745 Location: Southeast, LA Posts: 1,786	Is that post intercooler temp or pre turbo temp? I don't know what their designated acronyms are on the srt4, but I was wanting post intercooler temps and that doesn't seem to be accurate unless it's in Celcius or pre turbo temps. I don't remember seeing what intercooler(I'll go look again), but I believe the stock IC wouldn't do that well or te pull wasn't at sustained rpm for long enough for temps to climb much. It's simply hard to believe a stock turbo running that much boost has as low or lower IAT's than my car with a DBB Delta65, 28x12x4" IC and WMI. Is there any WMI injection before the IAT sensor? __________________ Hello guhfluh it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution or just engage in a conversation with another member in any one of our forums?

11-22-2012, 12:52 PM	#58 (permalink)
mole' Supporting Vendor (Gold) Join Date: Sep 2004 Member Number: 17477 Location: SoCal (760/661) Posts: 50,857	Quote: Originally Posted by guhfluh Is that post intercooler temp or pre turbo temp? I don't know what their designated acronyms are on the srt4, but I was wanting post intercooler temps and that doesn't seem to be accurate unless it's in Celcius or pre turbo temps. I don't remember seeing what intercooler(I'll go look again), but I believe the stock IC wouldn't do that well or te pull wasn't at sustained rpm for long enough for temps to climb much. It's simply hard to believe a stock turbo running that much boost has as low or lower IAT's than my car with a DBB Delta65, 28x12x4" IC and WMI. Is there any WMI injection before the IAT sensor? Good points __________________ DCR spiced and Tuned by the Mad Scientist team Jay@N2MB and Nigel@BST (turbo666) Mole' (STOCK TURBO) 16g BWS setup #s 380hp+ and 444tq+ 11.7@122 1.71 60ft PM/email me for all your 16g/18g/20g BWS setup and DCR needs...... Darrell Cox Racing on facebook, 1-517-369-9636 10am-5pm est webstore... DCRSRT.com. email me at mole79@aol.com .

11-22-2012, 01:33 PM	#59 (permalink)
guhfluh Premium Member (Lifetime) Join Date: Jun 2003 Member Number: 1745 Location: Southeast, LA Posts: 1,786	It states that it has a Godspeed FMIC...not sure of the sizes of those. Celcius seems plausible though. 57C=134F and 70C=158F __________________ Hello guhfluh it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution or just engage in a conversation with another member in any one of our forums?

11-22-2012, 01:42 PM	#60 (permalink)
mcresto *Scammer* Join Date: Nov 2012 Member Number: 91382 Location: Export, PA Posts: 13	Ok, I registered so I could answer the questions directly. My appologies to rrodney24 for him having to be a messenger, lol. The temps are all in F, there is NO water meth injection on the car, and are POST intercooler. Ambient temps were between 57 and 61 degrees. Here's the datalog in a spreadsheet format. I've seen several people ask for timing numbers....come on now...no tuner gives away every detail of how they did something... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...004U0J6cHB0bkE keep the questions coming. Last edited by mcresto; 11-22-2012 at 01:45 PM.

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