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Old 11-21-2012, 08:59 PM   #31 (permalink)
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mind u i have no idea how to read it lol
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:13 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by guhfluh View Post
I haven't seen what you have done with a stock manifold, but I doubt it would compare equally to a Bob's ported Stage 3 manifold, just because of the turbine and scroll area differences that they start with. I was saying that less backpressure with a Stage 3 manifold at equivalent boost pressures could lend to easier tuning and a better chance at 28lbs on pump gas.

The price I had seen for a new Batmowheel is the equivalent of a nice used turbo of any size, so even if someone already had money sunk into getting their stock manifold ported and upgraded, it is something to think about. ~300whp isn't a whole bunch for spending a lot of money to get there with a Batmowheel, but a very nice torque curve could prove to be worth it in some people's eyes.

I have seen bobs work from when I used to use his ported manifolds in my kits. Was not a happy camper, nor was my customers. I won't get into it again, but ill never use or recommend his work again.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:16 PM   #33 (permalink)
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he just sent this to me on facebook. told me 28psi no knock

Like I told Matt, its hard to tell anything from just a pic. But its better Tgen nothing
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Old 11-22-2012, 01:15 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Known about this for awhile as well...seems to be a good budget option...put down 425wtq on 93 octane...wonder what it would do on e85? Maybe touch 500wtq on a stock frame turbo? Can't wait to see the results from the tuners personal car

Only potential weakness I see is the use of the factory bearing which will cause turbo life to dramatically shorten if boosted more than 23-24psi...really needs a 360 degree thrust bearing and new MHI seals etc to be solid
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Old 11-22-2012, 01:26 AM   #35 (permalink)
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subbed... i think 28 psi for just over 300hp is a little excessive but i guess ill watch how this pans out
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Old 11-22-2012, 04:37 AM   #36 (permalink)
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I spent a total of 2k for everything for my my big turbo setup lol. But I also already had in car when I purchased a wideband so that helped. But I got a brand new AGP kit with injectors and 255 pump for $1500 lol


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I have seen bobs work from when I used to use his ported manifolds in my kits. Was not a happy camper, nor was my customers. I won't get into it again, but ill never use or recommend his work again.

Yea i wouldnt use or recommend your work either, but thats here nor there. Id like to see E85 #s on this wheel with supporting mods


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That screen shot does show a max of 29.08psi, but tapers town real far. At the marker, it shows 17.46psi at 5893rpm. My math shows that at .7 of the scale and 0:13sec it is actually dropping below 14.24psi.

Using or recommending Bob's work has nothing to do with the topics of this thread.

Why does Mole's(claimed) elbow modded and ported manifold with all the supporting mods and a batmowheel drop below 14psi by redline? That is my question of the day.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:50 AM   #39 (permalink)
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This is what i've gotten out of this conversation so

- Highly modded car with a MODIFIED Exhaust manifold.

- Moderately priced upgrade for a stock turbo

- A claim of zero knock on a 28 PSI spike, holding 25?


My .02 cents. I'll never say never, but I've been around this stuff and these cars long enough to doubt first and then verify. I still have not seen enough information to determine if this is mostly marketing, or if this is the next big thing for stock turbo'd cars. We have seen enough "snake oil" sold on this site to last a life time and I for one am not buying it.

In my opinion more information is needed. I need to know how he ran that much boost on pump with zero knock. Jesus Christ must of tuned the car using holy water!!
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How the hell they ran out of fuel on top with stage 2 injectors at 260whp. If it was 300whp at redline it would make sense..
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Almost seems to good to be true rhunter made some good points.


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How the hell they ran out of fuel on top with stage 2 injectors at 260whp. If it was 300whp at redline it would make sense..

Good observation.

So is this more snake oil?
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Maybe the car had some issues? Who knows. Cant base your opinion on ONE dyno and ONE car. More people need to test it but I kinda doubt it will start flying off the shelves any time soon.
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Maybe the car had some issues? Who knows. Cant base your opinion on ONE dyno and ONE car. More people need to test it but I kinda doubt it will start flying off the shelves any time soon.

Agree Dan,

I'm just trying to get past the marketing hype. He posts dyno numbers of this wheel on a HIGHLY modified car. The general SRT-4 owner will believe that they will be able to duplicate these results and build a big turbo killer on the cheap which we both know is not the case.

I'm not hating on this part, but unless the laws of physics have some how been re-written, you can only flow so much air though a stock or even modified stock manifold. He probably got those numbers, but who's to say this tune is safe? Who's to say this is not a case of a StuPiD dangerous tune in order to get the biggest dyno numbers possible for the set up?

Mole stated that he achieved his high dyno numbers because the car was set for ALL OUT ABSOLUTE KILL!!! He and James even stated, not to try this at home!!

And like chicago skittle pointed out, no fuel at 260whp, but you end up making over 300whp? and zero knock?


Maybe I missed something, I'll go back and re-read his test results.
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It didn't run out of fuel at 270whp or they couldnt have made 317whp. Read again. It was running out at 317whp.

It hits 29psi at about 2500rpm and falls to 25psi at about 4500rpm, but keeps diving to below 14psi by redline.
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