[quote=supermech21;6118082]Yeah, what stupid people...And then the nerve of vendors like Realtune, ForwardMotion, FnF, PTP, and now DCR have jumped on this ship of stupid people. I guess someones doing something right...
There all stupid right? Your biased and have a one sided mind. The big wheel concept is great, complete drop in and usually the gains are 20-45hsp across the board. Lose 200 rpms spool and gain 30hsp across the board...stupid, i know .
Your retarded, you should have kept that post to your self.[/QUOTE
Dude your the one whos stupid...You dont know much about how a turbo works apparently. But hey call me stupid and you might as well call the engineers of Mopar who designed the Stage 3 stupid as well.
To answer your post now, the stage 3 is designed to utilize the powerband of the srt-4 and make efficient power within the limits of the motor. By replacing the compressor wheel (37lb) with a larger one you lose spool. Also, if you have a 44 lb wheel Stage 3, why not get the hahns 20g which is built around that wheel more effectively, such as by having a bigger housing and bigger turbine wheel as well. So you get the 47lb wheel, same thing happens, why not get the 3147 turbo that will ultimately run more efficient. Ect. Ect
The only reason why the vendors are distributing those bigger wheel options is a concept you learn in Highschool, (if you went) its called supply and demand. Its not because they think its a better option for the Srt-4, its because they want to make money. Hell if people wanted to buy advice from you, even if it was shitty, you would still sell it wouldn't you? Of course you Would!!!!!!!!
I also wanted to mention that Agp just came out with the Stage 3 Delta to compete with those Big wheel Stage 3's.
Agp uses a TD03/TD04 with the 40lb, 44 and 48lb wheels. The A/R is a .48 to utilize that Spool so they can compete with the stage 3's. Now AGP is thinking in a different way, because they realized that the Housing of the Stage 3 becomes useless when mixed with a bigger compressor wheel.
That's a good looking graph. Most S3's at sealevel make 200hp by 3200-3300rpm's so it appears you did loose about 200rpm's of spool but it holds 400+ hp till redline! Not bad.
Read post 45 silverbullet....thats really great that theres a better turbo option rather than buying a 44, 47, or 49lb wheel....BUT THEY ALREADY HAVE A STAGE 3!!!! So am I supposed to bite it and dump thousands for the most sought out complete kit(stg 3)? Or just add what I need to make the bump in power that I want???
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i got the 47 sg3 from FP and its sweet. made 340 hp on mustang dyno no tune..... going back tomorrow for the tune w/ 118 octane should make 440hp. u'll love it trust me. and 750 cc injec...... i'll send u my mods if u want... lmk
No matter what car or no matter what turbo there will be bench racers who hate when something does not add up using there own or a fellow haters math or reasoning.
If you have an S3 turbo setup and you want more, then a big wheel is a pretty good option and has been proven by a couple of people.......some have done a better job then others with the total package.
Theres ups and down to every mod and upgrade, haters offer bad info as well as a when a particular upgrade has nutt huggers.....so keep reading and watch who you get info from in order to make a buying decision.
When changing/upgrading to a big wheel some of the existing things such as supported fueling need to be addressed as well as tuning in order to realize the potential gains. This info is spread out in several areas of this forum, again some have done better then others with regards to results so carefull where you get your info.
If you can't tune, can't pay for tuning or can't spend on redoing some things, or otherwise want to just bolt a part on and gain HP & torque without using your head (=dumbed down plug and play power) look into nitrous as its easier and quicker and cost less AND gives instant satisfaction for the effort made.
The big wheel upgrades are for those of us who like to play with and improve on what we already have and realize that once making the changes its no longer a plug and play kit as it was originally intended to be.
If I could go back in time right now knowing what I know I would have planned on purchasing an EMS and an aftermarket turbo setup since at this point right now my car has very little of the original S3...............but .........I would not have had fun along the way and I'm sure I would be upgrading what ever I did purchase anyway.
So, upgrade if it floats your boat and you want more out of the S3, but realize once theres changes, theres trade offs and other related things that need to be addressed as well.
Lastly, if you want info talk to your chosen vendor on the phone and take notes and ask the vendor to advise what additional supporting things need to be addressed along with a big wheel purchase in order to realize what you want out of the purchase.
OK. I added a 47lb compressor wheel to my S3 with stock exhaust side. No tune, Stock S3 fuel at 21 psi. Spooled identicle to stock S3 & bumped my entire band up about 40whp & Tq. The people saying you loose the spool are wrong. With no adjustments to the car other than sticking the changed wheel chra back into the car, I think a 40 point bump & no change to my spool is a pretty good step. I think the guys on here knocking the wheel, have never driven a car before & after. Here are the numbers: before, non HOM 300/300 w/HOM 350/350 - after, non HOM 350/350 w/HOM 391/391.
Now, if I wanted to tune, I'm sure I could bump the power up big time. The key thing is the bigger wheel gave me HOM power on pump gas without messing with a fuel tune or running big boost. I started all this after 50k miles on my S3. It was time to experiment. True, I could have started all over with a different turbo setup, but then I would have had to run an noise ass external WG & BOV. I don't want to do that. Nice & quiet.
Oh yeah, I'm a shitty driver, but the cars best time before the wheel was a 12.5, after is 11.5. All kinds of variables, but it is what it is. I really like my setup.
Wife hates my car, but I love it.
Oh yeah, my car is setup for roadracing, not drag. At the same time, pretty sure the locals respect my ride on the street.
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No matter what car or no matter what turbo there will be bench racers who hate when something does not add up using there own or a fellow haters math or reasoning.
If you have an S3 turbo setup and you want more, then a big wheel is a pretty good option and has been proven by a couple of people.......some have done a better job then others with the total package.
Theres ups and down to every mod and upgrade, haters offer bad info as well as a when a particular upgrade has nutt huggers.....so keep reading and watch who you get info from in order to make a buying decision.
When changing/upgrading to a big wheel some of the existing things such as supported fueling need to be addressed as well as tuning in order to realize the potential gains. This info is spread out in several areas of this forum, again some have done better then others with regards to results so carefull where you get your info.
If you can't tune, can't pay for tuning or can't spend on redoing some things, or otherwise want to just bolt a part on and gain HP & torque without using your head (=dumbed down plug and play power) look into nitrous as its easier and quicker and cost less AND gives instant satisfaction for the effort made.
The big wheel upgrades are for those of us who like to play with and improve on what we already have and realize that once making the changes its no longer a plug and play kit as it was originally intended to be.
If I could go back in time right now knowing what I know I would have planned on purchasing an EMS and an aftermarket turbo setup since at this point right now my car has very little of the original S3...............but .........I would not have had fun along the way and I'm sure I would be upgrading what ever I did purchase anyway.
So, upgrade if it floats your boat and you want more out of the S3, but realize once theres changes, theres trade offs and other related things that need to be addressed as well.
Lastly, if you want info talk to your chosen vendor on the phone and take notes and ask the vendor to advise what additional supporting things need to be addressed along with a big wheel purchase in order to realize what you want out of the purchase.
Quote of the day from the old wise man. Jack hows your setup coming? You and Jay get it figured out yet?
jhill, the car is close to being done but I was locked to the house yesterday and looks that way again today, so it looks like I need to work on the car after work = I get killed at work and am tired at the end of the day from stress so I do not look forward to this.
I spoke to Jay on Friday and we will be tuning the EMS very soon.
geezer, you look to have had great results without doing anything more then bolt it on = very nice. I wonder if the haters are going to look to try and beat you down?
How does it feel to be one of the stupid ones to have had done this?
geezer, you look to have had great results without doing anything more then bolt it on = very nice. I wonder if the haters are going to look to try and beat you down?
How does it feel to be one of the stupid ones to have had done this?
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