trusttt...its not gunna hit 400 w/o tons of timing and/or big wheel
Lots of ported stage 3 turbos make very close to 400 on pump.
Putting a big wheel in a stage 3 is stupid unless you plan on replacing the turbine wheel as well. Theres a reason why you have the TD05 Housing with the 37 lb/min compressor wheel in it...because its efficient! Putting a bigger Compressor wheel in it ruins the whole design and efficiency.
Ya a stage 3 with no bolt ons will make that. Put on a 3" exhaust, put a agp wga on the Stage 3, plus if you have a piggy back you can lean out the stage 3 fuel system even more.. there are tons of things you can do to make it happen
like i said ive got the agp s3 wga, SEE superbeast, gonna get a TB. you're saying If I get some portwork done i can do it without the bigwheel?
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Seems everyone who has the big wheels all have dnyo's but no track times so it's hard to evaluate if it's worth the money or not. I've seen planty of 425-ish whp big turbo's run just as fast as a 380-ish whp stage 3. Just two different methods of going fast.
Now... if the big wheel S3's can preserve the ever-so-loved quick spool it's famous for while making more power up top too... well that's like having your cake & eating it too. I'm still waiting to see though
There's plenty of un-molested S3's running 11 sec & making 400hp. For most people that's plenty.
If you're still feeling the need to mod the S3 turbo I'd say port the S3, do the 3" bell mouth, external gate & call it a day.
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Seems everyone who has the big wheels all have dnyo's but no track times so it's hard to evaluate if it's worth the money or not. I've seen planty of 425-ish whp big turbo's run just as fast as a 380-ish whp stage 3. Just two different methods of going fast.
Now... if the big wheel S3's can preserve the ever-so-loved quick spool it's famous for while making more power up top too... well that's like having your cake & eating it too. I'm still waiting to see though
There's plenty of un-molested S3's running 11 sec & making 400hp. For most people that's plenty.
If you're still feeling the need to mod the S3 turbo I'd say port the S3, do the 3" bell mouth, external gate & call it a day.
Agreeing with John definitely. We have unmolested stage 3 guys on our forums, one of which was a 12.01 by Steve (Maxfastest). Hes making 450 lbs of torque off the Stock stage 3 turbo and Manifold. That was on HOM tho. The big wheel's I think are stupid because your going to lose spool and by having a bigger wheel means you need a bigger housing for it to be most efficient.
If you want to do anything to the stage 3, keep the wheel, port the housing and exhaust manifold for some even better spool times, port your intake manifold, TB and Spacer. Get a 3" exhaust, put on the AGP WGA and put some good cams and gears on her and your good.
Conclusion:
Ported Stage 3 Turbo and Manifold
Ported intake manifold, TB and spacer
Add some Cams for better top end (Must choose the right ones tho)
You should be close to getting 400 hp with that setup. plus no big wheel stage 3 will keep up with you on the streets cuz they will spool slower and make close to identical HP.
I dont understand why people put in wheels like the 49lb wheel, thats basically a 50 trim without the advantage of the bigger housing so you can get better flow.... Stupid people!!
Srad2drag has the FM 44lb per min E3 and he put down 455whp with 110 octane in hom. Pm him if you have any other Q's about his setup or search his s/n.
I dont understand why people put in wheels like the 49lb wheel, thats basically a 50 trim without the advantage of the bigger housing so you can get better flow.... Stupid people!!
Yeah, what stupid people...And then the nerve of vendors like Realtune, ForwardMotion, FnF, PTP, and now DCR have jumped on this ship of stupid people. I guess someones doing something right...
There all stupid right? Your biased and have a one sided mind. The big wheel concept is great, complete drop in and usually the gains are 20-45hsp across the board. Lose 200 rpms spool and gain 30hsp across the board...stupid, i know .
Your retarded, you should have kept that post to your self.
Srad2drag has the FM 44lb per min E3 and he put down 455whp with 110 octane in hom. Pm him if you have any other Q's about his setup or search his s/n.
He had also broke 400 with the standard wheel & some porting too. His set-up is well thought out & his attention to detail shows in the results. He's one of the exceptions... not the norm. 9 out of 10 people with a big wheel turbo aren't extracting those type of results. Most are still putting down similar numbers/ times as a standard S3.
I'm not saying that's going big turbo is a bad idea or that the turbo's don't do what they've been modded to. Most of the problems are improper tuning to combination of mods. I'm just saying that the adverage SRT-4 owner is most likely to get the same results buy NOT going big wheel for a lot less money. Someone who has the money for the supporting mods & tuning ability....go for it but then you're defeating the reason you went S3 to start with.
Yeah, what stupid people...And then the nerve of vendors like Realtune, ForwardMotion, FnF, PTP, and now DCR have jumped on this ship of stupid people. I guess someones doing something right...
There all stupid right? Your biased and have a one sided mind. The big wheel concept is great, complete drop in and usually the gains are 20-45hsp across the board. Lose 200 rpms spool and gain 30hsp across the board...stupid, i know .
Your retarded, you should have kept that post to your self.
Some of it is supply & demand. With people demanding these to be made, vendors would be stupid to not follow through or they'll loose that money to other vendors.
All the dyno's I've seen haven't show even 1/2 of the gain you're claiming across the board (at lease not without bigger injectors, fuel control of some sort & more boost). At this point you might as well be tuning a 50 trim. The spool & broad powerband is what make the S3 so bad ass. Trading spool for more power is like trying to teach a cat to bark. If I want to hear a bark I'll go buy a dog, i'd be a lot easier. Make sense?
If you have some graphs you'd like to post please do. I'd love to see something good associated with the big wheels. I know of someone who makde 440+ on a 44lb wheel which is good. The problem is it wasn't a big enough gain for the money invested. He sold it & went big big big turbo (which was about the same degree of difficulty tuning except with a better payoff).
My S3 feels is as fast on pump as my 50 trim was on pump but I'm making about 50 less HP. The key is I'm making it sooner & holding it longer as well as making quite a bit more torque.
Just to re-interate my point, Here's my dyno overlays (it may not look that significant but trust me, every rpms of spool counts big time with a 6500 rev limit, plus cars don't make load on a dyno like they do on the street so spool is more significant than it appears).
Red = 50 Trim @ 20psi on 91
Blue = S3 @ 25psi on 110
Green = S3 @ 22psi on 91
No doubt, I understand. The big wheel "concept" does kill the general idea behind stg 3, quick spool. But at the same time what about the guys who want more roll race power but already have a $3800 stg 3 kit??? Sell it and eat a dick on the re sale? Or just buy a big wheel, walbro 255, some 735cc 4 bar inj and a safc... I think those few mods would be sufficient to max out or nearly max out a big wheel stage 3.
To each his own. Not bagging on our dyno graph but i can see shit doc. And if it was in rpm's it would be a lot more helpful, then again im sure everyone can figure out arround 6000ish is when the 50 takes over...
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