I got a question. Does anybody know how much boost can be ran on a BB AGP .63ar 50 Trim on Stage 2 Injectors? I'll probably get a little bigger ones but wanna know what they will do for a while.
What other fuel mods?
I would say maybe 17 or so psi
But if you have a wideband there is an easy way to find out
GT2871r is in with diablo tune. I will get dyno next week. but at 40mph in second gear, when I hit the gas pedal spins the tires. Its nice. but its way way way faster than it was. its a little scary but I will get use to it. 21psi
ok so heres a quick questions. whats a better street setup 3076 or a 50.trim?
first we need to define a street set up. I think its a combination of responsiveness and and good top end without out one compramising the other. I think the 76 will have great top end but lack low rpm responsiveness for street mannerism. where as the 50 trim will have better low end responsiveness and power and good top end. better for street driving. street driving requires the ability to accelerate quickly. I.e stop light to stop light, ability to accellerate into a tight lane changes and manuver in and out of traffic without wai
for power to kick in. but also I think street driving in the mid west is different from street driving in los angeles. so demographics play a role in builiding atreet monster. but a 50 trim would probably be a better street monster..
3076 is best in my opinion and experience.... The spool is almost the same as the 50 trim and has alot more ass when up top... my point is you dont street race at an idle or anywhere under 3000 rpm after you first take off, or if you are going from a roll and know how to drive and brake boost, you'll be fine... Either turbo will work great with the right mods...
3076 is best in my opinion and experience.... The spool is almost the same as the 50 trim and has alot more ass when up top... my point is you dont street race at an idle or anywhere under 3000 rpm after you first take off, or if you are going from a roll and know how to drive and brake boost, you'll be fine... Either turbo will work great with the right mods...
see thats the thing i cant decide between. i am about to purchase the agp stage 4 kit and cant decided between a 3076 or a 50 trim its just too freaking hard!! haha
AGP has said a million and one times...that the 50 trim OUTPERFORMS the 3076R on pump gas
Quote: Originally Posted by Jon@AGP
The 50-trim is going to make slightly more power than the GT3076R on lower boost, but the GT3076R will make slightly more than the 50-trim at high boost.
Lower boost being pump gas PSI (>22)..High boost being race fuel PSI (< 24)
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see thats the thing i cant decide between. i am about to purchase the agp stage 4 kit and cant decided between a 3076 or a 50 trim its just too freaking hard!! haha
well ask yourself what you want? power that comes on early? or power late? Look at like this, the faster you get your power the quicker yo car will be. But this does not mean that your car will be quicker than something producing significantly more power. In this case the power difference is not signif enough from what iv'e seen cars actually making on dyno charts. now we are talking 20-40Hp differences. So lets say two cars are cruisin. they get into a head to head match 0ne has 400HP(car A smaller turbo) the other has 430HP(CarB bigger turbo). car A gets to 400HP sooner than car B. This means car A just pulled away from car B. Car B now has to reach 400 HP while car A has been there for a few seconds now. Not only does car A have to reach its max(430) it now has to make up ground that it lost do to late spool. That means it has to almost double its speed to do that. thus the small turbo has just beat up on the bigger turbo. now if you drive long enough car B could catch Car A.
I say if yo can get ahold of a mopar stage 3 turbo do It, save money and make 400 blistering HP's, with the proper set up. or a GT2871R, another would be a 50trim with 48 a.r turbine housing i hear those are doing great. 76 and bigger you will be disapointed with te daily driver characteristics but thats jus My opinion. also your supporting mods will matter as well.
well ask yourself what you want? power that comes on early? or power late? Look at like this, the faster you get your power the quicker yo car will be. But this does not mean that your car will be quicker than something producing significantly more power. In this case the power difference is not signif enough from what iv'e seen cars actually making on dyno charts. now we are talking 20-40Hp differences. So lets say two cars are cruisin. they get into a head to head match 0ne has 400HP(car A smaller turbo) the other has 430HP(CarB bigger turbo). car A gets to 400HP sooner than car B. This means car A just pulled away from car B. Car B now has to reach 400 HP while car A has been there for a few seconds now. Not only does car A have to reach its max(430) it now has to make up ground that it lost do to late spool. That means it has to almost double its speed to do that. thus the small turbo has just beat up on the bigger turbo. now if you drive long enough car B could catch Car A.
I say if yo can get ahold of a mopar stage 3 turbo do It, save money and make 400 blistering HP's, with the proper set up. or a GT2871R, another would be a 50trim with 48 a.r turbine housing i hear those are doing great. 76 and bigger you will be disapointed with te daily driver characteristics but thats jus My opinion. also your supporting mods will matter as well.
Brake Boost
/this entire drawn out and utterly pointless scenario
well ask yourself what you want? power that comes on early? or power late? Look at like this, the faster you get your power the quicker yo car will be. But this does not mean that your car will be quicker than something producing significantly more power. In this case the power difference is not signif enough from what iv'e seen cars actually making on dyno charts. now we are talking 20-40Hp differences. So lets say two cars are cruisin. they get into a head to head match 0ne has 400HP(car A smaller turbo) the other has 430HP(CarB bigger turbo). car A gets to 400HP sooner than car B. This means car A just pulled away from car B. Car B now has to reach 400 HP while car A has been there for a few seconds now. Not only does car A have to reach its max(430) it now has to make up ground that it lost do to late spool. That means it has to almost double its speed to do that. thus the small turbo has just beat up on the bigger turbo. now if you drive long enough car B could catch Car A.
I say if yo can get ahold of a mopar stage 3 turbo do It, save money and make 400 blistering HP's, with the proper set up. or a GT2871R, another would be a 50trim with 48 a.r turbine housing i hear those are doing great. 76 and bigger you will be disapointed with te daily driver characteristics but thats jus My opinion. also your supporting mods will matter as well.
who are you? you sound like a young guy trying to act like you know what your saying by using everyone elses experience as your own. 30r's DO NOT spool slower than dbb 50trims on the street. I was in a dbb 50trim built engine on 20psi racing a 30r stock engine on 20psi and the 30r walked the 50trim from 4th and on spooling the same. I personally owned a 30r so I know whats its capable of and I would choose that because of the higher boost benefits.
Quote: Originally Posted by Nelson
Why is theath even here anymore? Is ANYBODY even caring or listening to what the douchenozzle has to say?
x2 on that
Quote: Originally Posted by tcglass1
I think if you were ever in a 3076 car your outlook will soon change on how slow it's spool is also Athlete
brake boosting and top end FTW
x2 on brake boosting and top end FTMFW!!!
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