Official Turbo Size Thread

[Tex]

well, the 20g comes out of a hino truck...but i belive the 20g-hr is a custom made unit. if im not mistaken. db is responsiable for the 5 blade, and from what i have read, worked with tcc on teh 6blade...though i do know of an austrailian website that sells the 20gr...so maybe not. i wonder how you can figure that out

[jersturbo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tex

well, the 20g comes out of a hino truck...but i belive the 20g-hr is a custom made unit. if im not mistaken. db is responsiable for the 5 blade, and from what i have read, worked with tcc on teh 6blade...though i do know of an austrailian website that sells the 20gr...so maybe not. i wonder how you can figure that out

i remember dodgetweaker quoting that the 15gk comp wheel came from a td06 turbo...
...which one was that?

ya...the 20g-6 might well be a custom stand-alone wheel made by tcc + db...

...and forcedperformance + db make the 20g-5

we know they will all be mitsu turbos!

these are the questions i pose to you, sir Tex!

[Tex]

the 20g-hr wheel can be found here http://www.tenagah.com.au/turbo1.htm and they are from australia...this is TCC's source from what i hear, so maybe its not made by them or dave...that link might have some info, im hunting

[Tex]

god bless the intraweb!!!

taken from 4g61t.com, written by mirage2.0 who, funny enough was

Quote:

Banned for being a dick

TDO4-9A stock turbo on a G32BT 83-86
TDO4-9B Stock turbo on a G32BT 87-88
TDO4-11B Stock turbo on a 4G61T 1989 4cm exhaust housing.
TDO4H-13C Can be found on the Lebaron GTs. Exhaust housing will have to be replaced by your stock exhaust housing and machined to accept the TDO4H exhaust wheel. Lebarons exhaust housing will not bolt onto your stock header/manifold. 330cfm@15psi of boost.
TDO4H-13G DSM Automatics. 360cfm@15psi of boost. 5cm exhaust housing.
TDO4H-15G Upgrade turbo sold in Europe and Japan. 440cfm@15psi of boost. 5cm exhaust housing.

TDO5-12A stock Starion/Conquest turbo1986-1989. 320 cfms@15psi of boost. 8 cm exhaust housing. exhaust housing is not a direct bolt up to a DSM. Cartrideg and compressor could be swapped into a TDO5 DSM exhaust housing if needed in a quick replacement but not recommended.
TDO5-14B Stock DSM turbo here in the USA. 420cfm@15PSi of boost. 6cm exhaust housing. Can upgrade exhaust housing for more midrange to top end using the 7cm exhaust housing.
TDO5-14G Upgrade turbo for the Starions and Conquests. 465cfm@15PSi of boost. Starion and Conquests came stock with 8cm exhaust housings. Top use on a DSM you will want to take a 6cm or 7cm exhaust housing from a DSM and install it due to the fact the 8cm exhaust housing uses a different downpipe bolt pattern and shape is different to make installation much harder and require custom fabrication.
TDO5-16G Upgrade for DSM 505cfm@15psi of boost. Looks the same as 14B. 7cm exhaust housing.
TDO5-Super16G 550cfm@15psi of boost Looks the same as 14B. 7cm exhaust housing.
TDO5-16G EVOIII 550cfm@15psi of boost exhaust housing is shapped different 7cm or more. Looks the same as 14B.
TDO5-16G EVOIV-VIII larger compressor housing and daul exhaust scrolls. Some exhaust wheels and shafts are titanium depending on if you are in the USA or not. 550cfm@15PSi of boost. 8.5cm exhaust hosuing.
TDO5-16G EVO IX Larger compressor housing, larger exhaust housing then previous EVOs, and larger exhaust wheel and it is titnaium this year in the USA. 10cm exhaust housing.
TDO5-17C custom job. Usually done using TDO5-14B, looks the same as 14B. 550cfm@15PSI of boost and pulls hard in mid range then 16G series wheels. 6cm or 7cm exhaust housing depending on turbo builder.
TDO5-18G custom job. Usually done using TDO5-14B, looks the same as 14B. 585cfm@15psi of boost. 6cm or 7cm exhaust housing depending on turbo builder.
TDO5-19C custom job. Usually done using TDO5-14B, looks the same as 14B. 600cfm@15psi of boost. 6cm or 7cm exhaust housing depending on turbo builder.

TDO5/6-17C custom job. Usually done using TDO5-14B. uses a TDO6 compressor housing. Better midrange to top end. 550cfm@15PSI of boost. 6cm or 7cm exhaust housing depending on turbo builder.
TDO5/6-18G custom job. Usually done using TDO5-14B. uses a TDO6. compressor housing. Better midrange to top end. 585cfm@15PSI of boost. 6cm or 7cm exhaust housing depending on turbo builder.
TDO5/6-19C custom job. Usually done using TDO5-14B. uses a TDO6 compressor housing. Better midrange to top end. 600cfm@15PSI of boost. 6cm or 7cm exhaust housing depending on turbo builder.
TDO5/6-20G custom job. Usually done using TDO5-14B. uses a TDO6 compressor housing. Better midrange to top end. 650cfm@15PSI of boost. 6cm or 7cm exhaust housing depending on turbo builder.

TDO6-17C Stock turbo that came on the Syclone/Typhoons. This turbo was later used by turbo builders to bring us the TDO5/6-20G using the TDO6 exhaust wheel. Usually done using TDO6 cartridge, using a TDO6 compressor housing and machining a TDO5 exhaust housing to accept the TDO6 exhaust wheel. Incredible midrange to top end. 550cfm@15PSI of boost. 8cm exhaust housing and it will need an adapter plate.
TDO6-18G custom job. Usually done using TDO6 cartridge, using a TDO6 compressor housing and machining a TDO5 exhaust housing to accept the TDO6 exhaust wheel. Incredible midrange to top end. 585cfm@15PSI of boost. 8cm exhaust housing and it will need an adapter plate.
TDO6-19C custom job. Usually done using TDO6 cartridge, using a TDO6 compressor housing and machining a TDO5 exhaust housing to accept the TDO6 exhaust wheel. Incredible midrange to top end. 600cfm@15PSI of boost. 8cm exhaust housing and it will need an adapter plate.
TDO6-20G custom job. Usually done using TDO6 cartridge, using a TDO6 compressor housing and machining a TDO5 exhaust housing to accept the TDO6 exhaust wheel. Incredible midrange to top end. 650cfm@15PSI of boost. 8cm exhaust housing and it will need an adapter plate.

TDO6/7-22C custom job. Usually done using TDO6 cartridge, using a TDO7 compressor housing and machining a TDO6 exhaust housing to accept the TDO6H exhaust wheel made for more mid-renage to topend power. Insane midrange to top end. 700cfm@15PSI of boost. Also hans racecraft sells this turbo. 8cm exhaust housing and it will need an adapter plate.
TDO6/7-23D custom job. Usually done using TDO6 cartridge, using a TDO7 compressor housing and machining a TDO6 exhaust housing to accept the TDO6H exhaust wheel made for more mid-renage to topend power. Insane midrange to top end. 730cfm@15PSI of boost. Also hans racecraft sells this turbo. 8cm exhaust housing and it will need an adapter plate.
TDO6/7-24V custom job. Usually done using TDO6 cartridge, using a TDO7 compressor housing and machining a TDO6 exhaust housing to accept the TDO6H exhaust wheel made for more mid-renage to topend power. Insane midrange to top end. 800cfm@15PSI of boost. Also hans racecraft sells this turbo. 8cm exhaust housing and it will need an adapter plate.
TD06/7-25G custom job. Sold by Greddy. Usually done using TDO6 cartridge, using a TDO7 compressor housing and machining a TDO6 exhaust housing to accept the TDO6/7 custom exhaust wheel made for Greddy. . Insane midrange to top end. 850cfm@15PSI of boost. Also hans racecraft sells this turbo. Sold by Greddy for MR2 and DSM Upgrade turbo kits. 8cm exhaust housing and it will need an adapter plate.

TDO7-25G Greddy Turbo
TDO7/8-33D Greddy Turbo
TDO7/8-34V Greddy Turbo

TDO8-33D Greddy Turbo
TDO8-34V Greddy Turbo

[Tex]

but everything that i can find, says that they do not make a td06hr turbine wheel.

[jersturbo]

damn man!

see all that...taht is exactly why i came to ask you...that's a hella lot of info!

but no td06-hr eh?

that's odd...i'll have to find the thread exactly, but i'm 99.99% sure that ethan said the 15gk was the comp wheel off of a td06...
...but taht means that mystery td06, to have a compressor wheel (15gk) would have to be a "hr"

see i'd heard about the td05 turbine housings (the smaller ones at that) being modded to take the td06 turbine wheel...so that got me to thinking, that we have a even more generous 10cm2 housing hot side, etc.

i'll try a little searching tomorrow also, and see what i else we can dig up

[Tex]

do remember, that the td05hr has been around since the IV. which means that maybe they made a 20g wheel for it, simply because they wanted larger. it might not have come off of anything, but just cast instead?

[jersturbo]

true...db is likely talking big (having helped develop...blah, blah)

some mistu hino turbos in here...but doesn't look like HR though:
http://www.udxtra.com/jxpress/jxpres...rch_fd3=Engine
- Turbo MIT TD05H-14GA FUSO FE Series 4D34T3
- Turbo MIT TD06 FUSO FE Series 87-91
- Turbo MIT TD06H FUSO FH Series 88-91
- Turbo MIT TD06H FUSO FH Series 92-95
- Turbo MIT TD07S FUSO FK455 FM555 Series
http://www.udxtra.com/jxpress/jxpres...60&SortBy=DESC
- Turbo MIT TD07S FUSO FK/FM Series 91
- Turbo MIT TD07S FUSO FK455 FM555 Series
- Turbo MIT TD06H FUSO FH Series 92-95
- Turbo MIT TD06H FUSO FH Series 88-91
- Turbo MIT TD06 FUSO FE Series 87-91
- Turbo MIT TD05H-14GA FUSO FE Series 4D34T3
- Turbo MIT TD05 Fuso FE Series 90-91
- Turbo MIT TD05H-14G FUSO FE Series 4D34T3

...still looking!

[jersturbo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tex

do remember, that the td05hr has been around since the IV. which means that maybe they made a 20g wheel for it, simply because they wanted larger. it might not have come off of anything, but just cast instead?

here's the best find so far...is a comp td05-20g wheel, 6 blade FS...
...still looking

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

[Braunbeck]

I read about the "white rabbit" turbo when I was on the Subie searching for info on the 2.5 RS w/STI or WRX swap. Now when searching all I find is a company that sells this kit/turbo as an aftermarket product.

Will any of the Subie turbos work? I found a wealth of info on them while searching.

Just for kicks here is what I found:

IHI turbo.
The VF series (VF22, VF23, VF24, VF29, VF30) are the most common direct replacement turbos. All VF-series turbochargers use the same roller bearing, water-cooled core assembly. The differences are in their wheels and housings to achieve different flows.

The VF22 has the largest potential for peak horsepower. In other words, in the IHI model range, the VF 22 supports the highes boost levels. It is capable of running up to 25 psi. Because it is a roller bearing turbo, turbo lag is minimal...the boost comes on around 3300 rpm. Expect to max out the VF22 somewhere in the 400-450 hp range.

The VF23 starts the middle ground. It comes on boost around 3100 rpm and is capable of running 20 psi of boost. Expect to max out the VF23 somewhere in the 300-350 hp range.

The VF 24 starts to come on around 2900 rpm and will significantly improve power through the midrange over the stock TD04 turbo. However, the VF 24 is only capable of running around 17 psi.

The VF23 and VF 24 are a great replacement for those who value drivability higher than maximum power.

The VF29 & VF30 delivers a very wide increase in torque over the standard TD-series turbos. It is important to note that the VF30 is not a roller bearing turbo.

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VF22

This turbo has the highest output potential of all of the IHI VF series turbos and is the best choice for those who are looking for loads of top end power. The top end power however, does not come without a cost. The VF22 spools significantly slower than the rest of the IHI models due to the larger P20 exhaust housing and is much less suited for daily driving than some of the other models. Although the largest VF series turbo, the VF22 is not quite optimal for stroked engines or those who wish to run more than 20PSI of boost.

VF23

This turbo is considered a great all-around turbo. Like the VF22 it utilizes the largest P20 exhaust housing. This housing is mated with a smaller compressor housing of the of the VF24. This turbo is considered optimal in applications with range from mild to slightly wild. It does not have the same top end power of the VF22, but spools up significantly quicker.

VF24

This turbo shares its compressor housing with the VF23 however, this housing is mated with a smaller (P18) exhaust side. The smaller characteristics of this turbo allow it to provide ample bottom end power and quick spool. This turbo is very popular for Imprezas with automatic transmissions and Group N rally cars.

VF28

This turbo came standard on the STi Version 5. In terms of overall size, it is smaller than the VF22, VF30 and VF34, and about same size as the VF23.

VF29

This Turbo is nearly identical to the VF24, with the same compressor and exhaust housings. However the compressor wheel in the VF29 is has been changed slightly. The changes made to the compressor wheel in this model are generally viewed as improvements, and as such this unit is typically chosen over the VF24.

VF30

The VF30 is commonly considered the best bang for the buck turbo in the IHI VF series line. A relatively new model the VF30 features the same exhaust housing as the VF24 but a larger compressor side similar to the VF22. The combination of these two parts results in increased output potential without the lag associated with the VF22. Although it doesn't offer the top end supremacy of the VF22, the VF30 is a great compromise between these unit and the quicker spooling models.

VF34

The VF34 is nearly identical to the VF30, with the same exhaust housing and compressor. However the VF34 goes back to the ball bearing design, and in doing so achieves full boost approximately 500RPM sooner than the comparable VF30. The VF34 is the most recent IHI design and as such costs slightly more than its counterpart. Top end performance and maximum output are identical to the 30.

VF35

VF35 The VF35 has identical internals as the VF30 and it uses divided thrust bearings. However, the exhaust housing is a P15 which means this turbo will have fantastic spool characteristics. This turbo is standard on the new WRX Type RA. LIMITED SUPPLY.

VF36
Roller bearing version of the twin scroll VF37, also has a titanium turbine and shaft for even quicker spool. Same compressor housing as VF30/34, however twin scroll P25 exhaust housing provides slightly better top end output due to reduced exhaust pulse interference. This turbo is good for 400HP and used on JDM STI Spec C from 2003 onwards.

VF37 (thrust bearing)
Enter the age of twin scroll IHI turbos. Same compressor housing as VF30/34, however has a new twin scroll P25 exhaust housing that provides slightly better top end output due to reduced exhaust pulse interference. Twin scroll also provides better spool up for improved low down response over the VF30/34. This turbo is good for 400HP and used on JDM STI from 2003 onwards.

VF38
Twin scroll turbo with titanium turbine and shaft. Smaller compressor housing than VF36/VF37 provides tremendous spool up capabilities but less top end than VF36/37. The spool capabilities of this turbo are demonstrated on the JDM Legacy GT, which reaches peak torque at 2400RPM.

VF39
Single scroll turbo used on USDM STI and latest 2.5L STIs released internationally. Smaller than VF30/VF34.

VF42
Exclusive turbo to the S203/S204 models, this features a twin scroll design with a slightly larger compressor than the VF36/37 turbos and different turbine design (more blades). The VF42 is a roller-bearing turbo and is likely of similar size to the VF22 turbo, but with twin scroll exhaust housing for faster spool and superior top end performance due to reduced exhaust pulse interference.

[Tex]

the IHI turbos are all standard rotation turbo's, if im not mistaken. they wont work for this matter, but good info none the less!

[jersturbo]

yup...that's right, IHI doesn't make any reverse rotation turbos...

...i'm trying to find something about this supposed Garrett wheel that (edit) hydrohopper posted (about mod to his S3??)...tex, do you know something about it?

Quote: Originally Posted by Tex

the IHI turbos are all standard rotation turbo's, if im not mistaken. they wont work for this matter, but good info none the less!

[Tex]

i know nothing about the garrett wheel. garrett wont/cant tell me about the wheel either. im wondering if its the wabbit or 20g wheel myself

[jersturbo]

edited the post ^^ was hydrohopper...in new S3 feeedback thread, remarked about a garrett wheel, wasnt sure if he meant his S3 (because it was being the discussion) or of a different (previous) turbo (gt30r)??

hydro, you wanna clear that up for us?
thx

NEW Stage 3 Owners Feedback Thread

[TurboGLH]

Quote: Originally Posted by jersturbo

edited the post ^^ was hydrohopper...in new S3 feeedback thread, remarked about a garrett wheel, wasnt sure if he meant his S3 (because it was being the discussion) or of a different (previous) turbo (gt30r)??

hydro, you wanna clear that up for us?
thx

NEW Stage 3 Owners Feedback Thread

Send a PM to Ed (ptc01), I believe that picture is from his upgraded stage3 and he had it done somewhere locally by a person who's not a forum vendor.