NEED HELP... PLEASE igniton issues - SRT Forums

**underSRTarmor** · 11-21-2012, 01:03 PM

so here is my story....

started off i installed aem failsafe, install went very good, every thing worked....
next i tapped #4 injector for rpm signal, i bought these injector clips (<<<click)they were on my car for 800 miles about 6 mth, i notice that # 4 is broken in the middle. upon inspection i find more than 1 messed up.
so i decided to solder the pig tails i got with my fic 1100s. i soldered and heat shrinked all 4 injector clips on. ALL works well go do some pulls notice im .5-.7 richer. Cool right, the other connectors werent making a very good connection. still every thing good.

well using #4 injector the data log of the rpm had a few spikes in it not sure why, car still ran strong. so i decided to use a tach adapter, here is where my prob is.....

so i hook up the tach adapter just like the instructions say and i use the green wire like the how to shows. i cut the wire going to #4 injector tapped up the end temporary to see if the tach adapter was a better option.
tach adapter didnt work. it was soldered and all wired correctly. NO big deal ill just remove it solder the wire back for the coil and continue to use #4 as my rpm signal...

here is where my problems, i hooked up everything back to normal. using #4 for my rpm signal soldered the green wire back to itself. check all wires around to make sure nothing got nicked or melted.... all wire check out fine.

go to start my car and i get a blinking CEL (multi cyl misfire right) car has no throttle reponse and sounds like a broken subaru....

things is checked

all pins in igntion harness,
plug for cam sensor
all 3 wires on ignition harness

i changed

plugs
wire
coil pack mopar one

i still get all the same results. i thought maybe the coil pack dont like the resistance bc of the solder,(if any extra was put) so i used a male and female spade connectors... (looks like crap right now but ill fix it later with soleder if it works)

looks like the only thing that did was keep the cel from flashing. still runs like crap. i bought a spark tester, every cyl is firing....

here alil video

i know installed the tach adapter correctly. i really hope the pcm isnt dead......

turbo666 · 11-21-2012, 01:13 PM

I haven't watched the video but did you verify which cylinder is misfiring yet? Is number 4 now the problematic cylinder? Any other codes besides a the blinking CEL?

Thanks

**underSRTarmor** · 11-21-2012, 01:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by turbo666

I haven't watched the video but did you verify which cylinder is misfiring yet? Is number 4 now the problematic cylinder? Any other codes besides a the blinking CEL?

Thanks

i went back and unsoldered the green wire and put shielded male and female spade connectors. and now i get NO blinking cel just runs like crap...

no cyl is giving me problems that i can tell.... with the tester the all flash regularly and they all the same brightness

turbo666 · 11-21-2012, 01:26 PM

What are your fuel trims doing? What does the wideband show?

Do a cylinder balance test to see if you can pinpoint the faulty cylinder.

Boostinfamily · 11-21-2012, 01:44 PM

or unhook injectors and look for a difference in idle. THEN do a fuel pressure test, then a compression( balance) test, then a leak down test.

**underSRTarmor** · 11-21-2012, 01:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Boostinfamily

or unhook injectors and look for a difference in idle. THEN do a fuel pressure test, then a compression( balance) test, then a leak down test.

i did a compression test a week ago(150 across) the last time i drove it. the car ran PERFECT before i install the tach adapter then pulled it back off..

i did unhook the injectors in the video. all make the engine sound like it about to die... u can hear it in the video alil...

fuel pressure is on point

i dont have a leak down tester.....

Quote: Originally Posted by turbo666

What are your fuel trims doing? What does the wideband show?

Do a cylinder balance test to see if you can pinpoint the faulty cylinder.

ill have to check the trims, the afr is 14.3 to 14.7 no changes

ill recheck the compression and trim when i get home in 1/2 hr.

**underSRTarmor** · 11-21-2012, 01:54 PM

thank for all the help/info guys!!!!

turbo666 · 11-21-2012, 01:58 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Boostinfamily

or unhook injectors and look for a difference in idle. THEN do a fuel pressure test, then a compression( balance) test, then a leak down test.

That's what I meant by a balance test. lol.

Take a log and make sure everything looks normal fuel trim and baro/map wise.

**underSRTarmor** · 11-21-2012, 02:01 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by turbo666

That's what I meant by a balance test. lol.

Take a log and make sure everything looks normal fuel trim and baro/map wise.

k, on my way home... ill report back....

Boostinfamily · 11-21-2012, 02:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by turbo666

That's what I meant by a balance test. lol.

Take a log and make sure everything looks normal fuel trim and baro/map wise.

aaah LOL, usually a "balance" test here involves compression of one bank verus another in V setups, and versus each cylinder on I4's

i wonder.. did you reverse the ground control circuit wires?? ( 1 power feed 2 control)

i can't watch video at work..soo that is making this that much harder.

**underSRTarmor** · 11-21-2012, 02:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Boostinfamily

aaah LOL, usually a "balance" test here involves compression of one bank verus another in V setups, and versus each cylinder on I4's

i wonder.. did you reverse the ground control circuit wires?? ( 1 power feed 2 control)

i can't watch video at work..soo that is making this that much harder.

Not sure what u mean by reverse the wires.

**underSRTarmor** · 11-21-2012, 02:55 PM

Compression 150 across.

**underSRTarmor** · 11-21-2012, 03:09 PM

You Tube

CATGUY · 11-21-2012, 03:13 PM

Did you get the injector wires backwards when you soldered them? One is power and the other is ground or the control wire from the PCM.

**underSRTarmor** · 11-21-2012, 03:24 PM

I match it to the same as it was with the stock clips green on right and other wire on left.

Thing is I soldered the injectors weeks ago. Are the injectors even polarity sensitive?

11-21-2012, 01:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,757	NEED HELP... PLEASE igniton issues so here is my story.... started off i installed aem failsafe, install went very good, every thing worked.... next i tapped #4 injector for rpm signal, i bought these injector clips (<<<click)they were on my car for 800 miles about 6 mth, i notice that # 4 is broken in the middle. upon inspection i find more than 1 messed up. so i decided to solder the pig tails i got with my fic 1100s. i soldered and heat shrinked all 4 injector clips on. ALL works well go do some pulls notice im .5-.7 richer. Cool right, the other connectors werent making a very good connection. still every thing good. well using #4 injector the data log of the rpm had a few spikes in it not sure why, car still ran strong. so i decided to use a tach adapter, here is where my prob is..... so i hook up the tach adapter just like the instructions say and i use the green wire like the how to shows. i cut the wire going to #4 injector tapped up the end temporary to see if the tach adapter was a better option. tach adapter didnt work. it was soldered and all wired correctly. NO big deal ill just remove it solder the wire back for the coil and continue to use #4 as my rpm signal... here is where my problems, i hooked up everything back to normal. using #4 for my rpm signal soldered the green wire back to itself. check all wires around to make sure nothing got nicked or melted.... all wire check out fine. go to start my car and i get a blinking CEL (multi cyl misfire right) car has no throttle reponse and sounds like a broken subaru.... things is checked all pins in igntion harness, plug for cam sensor all 3 wires on ignition harness i changed plugs wire coil pack mopar one i still get all the same results. i thought maybe the coil pack dont like the resistance bc of the solder,(if any extra was put) so i used a male and female spade connectors... (looks like crap right now but ill fix it later with soleder if it works) looks like the only thing that did was keep the cel from flashing. still runs like crap. i bought a spark tester, every cyl is firing.... here alil video i know installed the tach adapter correctly. i really hope the pcm isnt dead...... __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable Last edited by underSRTarmor; 11-21-2012 at 01:14 PM.

11-21-2012, 01:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
turbo666 Supporting Vendor (Gold) SRT of the Month Join Date: Mar 2005 Member Number: 25206 Location: Conover, NC Posts: 7,443	I haven't watched the video but did you verify which cylinder is misfiring yet? Is number 4 now the problematic cylinder? Any other codes besides a the blinking CEL? Thanks __________________ 04 SRT-4-10.18@150.3, and still a lot left in it... Engine builds, dyno tuning, fabrication, and more available! PM me for pricing and details! Contact me for great prices on your part needs! http://www.facebook.com/BrutalSpeedAndTuning

11-21-2012, 01:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,757	Quote: Originally Posted by turbo666 I haven't watched the video but did you verify which cylinder is misfiring yet? Is number 4 now the problematic cylinder? Any other codes besides a the blinking CEL? Thanks i went back and unsoldered the green wire and put shielded male and female spade connectors. and now i get NO blinking cel just runs like crap... no cyl is giving me problems that i can tell.... with the tester the all flash regularly and they all the same brightness __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable

11-21-2012, 01:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
turbo666 Supporting Vendor (Gold) SRT of the Month Join Date: Mar 2005 Member Number: 25206 Location: Conover, NC Posts: 7,443	What are your fuel trims doing? What does the wideband show? Do a cylinder balance test to see if you can pinpoint the faulty cylinder. __________________ 04 SRT-4-10.18@150.3, and still a lot left in it... Engine builds, dyno tuning, fabrication, and more available! PM me for pricing and details! Contact me for great prices on your part needs! http://www.facebook.com/BrutalSpeedAndTuning

11-21-2012, 01:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,757	Quote: Originally Posted by Boostinfamily or unhook injectors and look for a difference in idle. THEN do a fuel pressure test, then a compression( balance) test, then a leak down test. i did a compression test a week ago(150 across) the last time i drove it. the car ran PERFECT before i install the tach adapter then pulled it back off.. i did unhook the injectors in the video. all make the engine sound like it about to die... u can hear it in the video alil... fuel pressure is on point i dont have a leak down tester..... Quote: Originally Posted by turbo666 What are your fuel trims doing? What does the wideband show? Do a cylinder balance test to see if you can pinpoint the faulty cylinder. ill have to check the trims, the afr is 14.3 to 14.7 no changes ill recheck the compression and trim when i get home in 1/2 hr. __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable Last edited by underSRTarmor; 11-21-2012 at 01:55 PM.

11-21-2012, 01:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
Boostinfamily SRTforums Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Member Number: 77511 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,484	or unhook injectors and look for a difference in idle. THEN do a fuel pressure test, then a compression( balance) test, then a leak down test.

11-21-2012, 01:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,757	thank for all the help/info guys!!!! __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable

11-21-2012, 01:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
turbo666 Supporting Vendor (Gold) SRT of the Month Join Date: Mar 2005 Member Number: 25206 Location: Conover, NC Posts: 7,443	Quote: Originally Posted by Boostinfamily or unhook injectors and look for a difference in idle. THEN do a fuel pressure test, then a compression( balance) test, then a leak down test. That's what I meant by a balance test. lol. Take a log and make sure everything looks normal fuel trim and baro/map wise. __________________ 04 SRT-4-10.18@150.3, and still a lot left in it... Engine builds, dyno tuning, fabrication, and more available! PM me for pricing and details! Contact me for great prices on your part needs! http://www.facebook.com/BrutalSpeedAndTuning

11-21-2012, 02:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,757	Quote: Originally Posted by turbo666 That's what I meant by a balance test. lol. Take a log and make sure everything looks normal fuel trim and baro/map wise. k, on my way home... ill report back.... __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable

11-21-2012, 02:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
Boostinfamily SRTforums Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Member Number: 77511 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,484	Quote: Originally Posted by turbo666 That's what I meant by a balance test. lol. Take a log and make sure everything looks normal fuel trim and baro/map wise. aaah LOL, usually a "balance" test here involves compression of one bank verus another in V setups, and versus each cylinder on I4's i wonder.. did you reverse the ground control circuit wires?? ( 1 power feed 2 control) i can't watch video at work..soo that is making this that much harder.

11-21-2012, 02:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,757	Quote: Originally Posted by Boostinfamily aaah LOL, usually a "balance" test here involves compression of one bank verus another in V setups, and versus each cylinder on I4's i wonder.. did you reverse the ground control circuit wires?? ( 1 power feed 2 control) i can't watch video at work..soo that is making this that much harder. Not sure what u mean by reverse the wires. __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable

11-21-2012, 02:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,757	Compression 150 across. __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable

11-21-2012, 03:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
CATGUY SRTforums Member Join Date: May 2012 Member Number: 89087 Location: Guam Posts: 44	Did you get the injector wires backwards when you soldered them? One is power and the other is ground or the control wire from the PCM. Last edited by CATGUY; 11-21-2012 at 03:14 PM. Reason: Not sure if it matters on these cars but its worth a shot

11-21-2012, 03:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
underSRTarmor Premium Member (Lifetime) SRT of the Month Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32888 Location: N. La/ E. Tx Posts: 7,757	I match it to the same as it was with the stock clips green on right and other wire on left. Thing is I soldered the injectors weeks ago. Are the injectors even polarity sensitive? __________________ • MyBuild Thread • Duster360 Track Times List • PTE 5831 info • MAP Sensor info TUNED by DUSTER360 PTE 5831 11.19 @125.65 1.64 60ft 27 psi ^^^all clickable Last edited by underSRTarmor; 11-21-2012 at 03:34 PM.

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