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bratz_729 · 03-26-2012, 08:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Ude Lose

Yeah man, I hope he takes care of me. The turbo has 50-60 miles on it the most. Never went past 8-10lbs of boost.
I have never even gone wot on my new engine build yet.
Soo disappointed, I am beginning to grow tired taking this turbo in and out of the car.

It happens owning a neon

I hope I don't have these problems when i get my car running. Good luck on getting it fixed

Ude Lose · 03-27-2012, 05:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by bratz_729

It happens owning a neon

I hope I don't have these problems when i get my car running. Good luck on getting it fixed

Thanks man, should be sending it out end of this week.

regal2srt4 · 04-17-2012, 08:35 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Ude Lose

Thanks man, should be sending it out end of this week.

Did you ever solve this problem? I was under the impression that bad turbo seals would not cause EXTREME smoking?

SRT4B · 04-17-2012, 10:12 AM

bump for an answer as well.

Jazwir · 04-17-2012, 02:15 PM

never seen EXTREME smoking from a turbo.

**Monster** · 04-17-2012, 02:17 PM

^^^ I have

Ude Lose · 04-17-2012, 06:02 PM

The turbo oil seal was defective. It was sent back to MAP and warrantied. The turbo is currently on its way back to me and I will have it running by this weekend..

Ude Lose · 04-24-2012, 07:58 AM

Got the turbo back from Bob last week. It had a defective oil seal. The seal was replaced. I reinstalled the turbo in the car. Before starting the car i unplugged the coil and cranked it for afew seconds, just enough to get oil to the turbo to prime it. I then plugged in the coil and started the car. I let it get to operating temp and then drove the car literally 2 miles at cruising speeds in a residential area. The car smokes just as bad now as it did before. I took the turbo off and the band clamp had oil in it again, just like it did before i sent it out to get the seal replaced. While the turbo was off i checked to make sure that the oil return line wasnt clogged by inserting a wire coat hanger down the return line. It was clear. Im very confused by this whole situation.

Sota · 04-24-2012, 09:42 AM

sucks dude.

gotta be coming from some place.

Sota · 04-24-2012, 09:43 AM

maybe it's NOT the turbo.

how do the plugs look.

Ude Lose · 04-24-2012, 12:21 PM

Ehh its gotta be the turbo. I keep getting oil in the band clamp
the #1 plug looked slightly damper than the rest

Ude Lose · 04-24-2012, 05:57 PM

Some pics of where I stand.

As you can see here, there is oil sitting in the band clamp. Every time i crank it over oil accumulates here. The oil seal in the turbo has just been replaced.
I spoke to bill at MAP today he swears up and down that the new oil seal is good. He was helpful aside from what i felt was rushing me off the phone.

Here is a pic of how my trunk sits right now...

I took the exhaust side down just to get a look at the exhaust ports on the back of the head. They looked damp and oil coated. I dont know what my next step will be. I will most likely remove the head and check the cometic head gasket which has 455 miles on it. As does my engine build.

Ude Lose · 04-25-2012, 04:26 PM

Any body have any ideas where the oil burning may be coming from?

Sota · 04-26-2012, 08:43 PM

if you're saying the exhaust ports on the head are oil coated, only thing i can think of is oil past the exhaust valve guides. i'd expect the plugs to show signs of that. i'd check your intake manifold as well, just to cover everything.

to bad you're not closer, i'd love to look it over with my own eyes.

a853rox · 04-26-2012, 10:11 PM

I did reply in the PM as well, but i figure I would explain what we did while diagnosing your setup.

-Part dimensions (turbine shaft, and turbine seal bore in CHRA) were inspected for wear, and dimensions, all were within spec.
-Turbo was rebuild, and balance was verified
-Turbo was run in our VSR balancer with heated, pressurized oil, with no leaking past the seal.

On all accounts, with multiple checks, the turbo is good in our eyes.

Possible causes of the continued smoking:
-too much crank case pressure causing more oil than normal to bypass through the piston seal (very rare btw)
-oil drain tube blockage causing the same (more common)
-too much oil feed pressure (normally not an issue with journal bearing turbos)
-you still have residual oil in the manifold and dump tube that needs to clear out
-you have oil leaking from elsewhere in the system like valve stem seals or cracked ringlands causing severe blow by.

Now im not sure what other testing you have completed, but I would recommend looking in other areas to ensure that your car is tip top. We did as thorough a check on the turbo as possible, and it's good brotha!

Certainly keep me informed of what you find Richard!

-Bob

03-26-2012, 08:52 PM	#16 (permalink)
bratz_729 SRTforums Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Member Number: 75591 Location: unionville,mo Posts: 797	Quote: Originally Posted by Ude Lose Yeah man, I hope he takes care of me. The turbo has 50-60 miles on it the most. Never went past 8-10lbs of boost. I have never even gone wot on my new engine build yet. Soo disappointed, I am beginning to grow tired taking this turbo in and out of the car. It happens owning a neon I hope I don't have these problems when i get my car running. Good luck on getting it fixed __________________ Built Engine: Eagle/ Arias 8.75:1, Dcr strapped, Ported head w/ Crane 18's and Fidanza Gears. Turbo/Fuel: PTE 6262, DCR dual 044s, -8/-6 line Mindmelt 101 tuning Build Thread: http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f451...-build-617761/

04-17-2012, 08:35 AM	#18 (permalink)
regal2srt4 SRTforums Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Member Number: 9495 Location: Georgia Posts: 536	Quote: Originally Posted by Ude Lose Thanks man, should be sending it out end of this week. Did you ever solve this problem? I was under the impression that bad turbo seals would not cause EXTREME smoking? __________________ Formerly: 2004 SRT-4 and 2003 SRT-4 swapped SXT Now: 98 RT Neon and trying to fix a 2003 PT GT

04-17-2012, 10:12 AM	#19 (permalink)
SRT4B SRTforums Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Member Number: 326 Location: Myrtle Beach Posts: 2,136	bump for an answer as well. __________________

04-17-2012, 02:17 PM	#21 (permalink)
Monster Premium Member (Lifetime) Join Date: Dec 2006 Member Number: 48761 Location: Inland Empire Posts: 11,498	^^^ I have __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by Turbolag87 ur all idiots and noobs. Stop giving out retarded information

04-24-2012, 07:58 AM	#23 (permalink)
Ude Lose SRTforums Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Member Number: 4562 Location: 845 N.Y. Posts: 2,072	Got the turbo back from Bob last week. It had a defective oil seal. The seal was replaced. I reinstalled the turbo in the car. Before starting the car i unplugged the coil and cranked it for afew seconds, just enough to get oil to the turbo to prime it. I then plugged in the coil and started the car. I let it get to operating temp and then drove the car literally 2 miles at cruising speeds in a residential area. The car smokes just as bad now as it did before. I took the turbo off and the band clamp had oil in it again, just like it did before i sent it out to get the seal replaced. While the turbo was off i checked to make sure that the oil return line wasnt clogged by inserting a wire coat hanger down the return line. It was clear. Im very confused by this whole situation. Last edited by Ude Lose; 04-24-2012 at 08:04 AM.

03-27-2012, 05:04 PM	#17 (permalink)
Ude Lose SRTforums Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Member Number: 4562 Location: 845 N.Y. Posts: 2,072	Quote: Originally Posted by bratz_729 It happens owning a neon I hope I don't have these problems when i get my car running. Good luck on getting it fixed Thanks man, should be sending it out end of this week.

04-17-2012, 02:15 PM	#20 (permalink)
Jazwir SRTforums Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Member Number: 87010 Location: Orlando Posts: 125	never seen EXTREME smoking from a turbo.

04-17-2012, 06:02 PM	#22 (permalink)
Ude Lose SRTforums Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Member Number: 4562 Location: 845 N.Y. Posts: 2,072	The turbo oil seal was defective. It was sent back to MAP and warrantied. The turbo is currently on its way back to me and I will have it running by this weekend..

04-24-2012, 09:42 AM	#24 (permalink)
Sota SRTforums Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Member Number: 31159 Location: Union County NJ Posts: 11,255	sucks dude. gotta be coming from some place. __________________ LIFETIME NRA MEMBER SUPPORT THE SECOND AMMENDMENT IN ITS FULLEST I'll be out most of the year it looks like. call it a "building" year. those who need me know where and how to find me.

04-24-2012, 09:43 AM	#25 (permalink)
Sota SRTforums Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Member Number: 31159 Location: Union County NJ Posts: 11,255	maybe it's NOT the turbo. how do the plugs look. __________________ LIFETIME NRA MEMBER SUPPORT THE SECOND AMMENDMENT IN ITS FULLEST I'll be out most of the year it looks like. call it a "building" year. those who need me know where and how to find me.

04-24-2012, 12:21 PM	#26 (permalink)
Ude Lose SRTforums Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Member Number: 4562 Location: 845 N.Y. Posts: 2,072	Ehh its gotta be the turbo. I keep getting oil in the band clamp the #1 plug looked slightly damper than the rest

04-24-2012, 05:57 PM	#27 (permalink)
Ude Lose SRTforums Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Member Number: 4562 Location: 845 N.Y. Posts: 2,072	Some pics of where I stand. As you can see here, there is oil sitting in the band clamp. Every time i crank it over oil accumulates here. The oil seal in the turbo has just been replaced. I spoke to bill at MAP today he swears up and down that the new oil seal is good. He was helpful aside from what i felt was rushing me off the phone. Here is a pic of how my trunk sits right now... I took the exhaust side down just to get a look at the exhaust ports on the back of the head. They looked damp and oil coated. I dont know what my next step will be. I will most likely remove the head and check the cometic head gasket which has 455 miles on it. As does my engine build. Last edited by Ude Lose; 04-25-2012 at 04:54 AM.

04-25-2012, 04:26 PM	#28 (permalink)
Ude Lose SRTforums Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Member Number: 4562 Location: 845 N.Y. Posts: 2,072	Any body have any ideas where the oil burning may be coming from?

04-26-2012, 08:43 PM	#29 (permalink)
Sota SRTforums Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Member Number: 31159 Location: Union County NJ Posts: 11,255	if you're saying the exhaust ports on the head are oil coated, only thing i can think of is oil past the exhaust valve guides. i'd expect the plugs to show signs of that. i'd check your intake manifold as well, just to cover everything. to bad you're not closer, i'd love to look it over with my own eyes. __________________ LIFETIME NRA MEMBER SUPPORT THE SECOND AMMENDMENT IN ITS FULLEST I'll be out most of the year it looks like. call it a "building" year. those who need me know where and how to find me.

04-26-2012, 10:11 PM	#30 (permalink)
a853rox SRTforums Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Member Number: 1907 Location: In the shop! Posts: 3,583	I did reply in the PM as well, but i figure I would explain what we did while diagnosing your setup. -Part dimensions (turbine shaft, and turbine seal bore in CHRA) were inspected for wear, and dimensions, all were within spec. -Turbo was rebuild, and balance was verified -Turbo was run in our VSR balancer with heated, pressurized oil, with no leaking past the seal. On all accounts, with multiple checks, the turbo is good in our eyes. Possible causes of the continued smoking: -too much crank case pressure causing more oil than normal to bypass through the piston seal (very rare btw) -oil drain tube blockage causing the same (more common) -too much oil feed pressure (normally not an issue with journal bearing turbos) -you still have residual oil in the manifold and dump tube that needs to clear out -you have oil leaking from elsewhere in the system like valve stem seals or cracked ringlands causing severe blow by. Now im not sure what other testing you have completed, but I would recommend looking in other areas to ensure that your car is tip top. We did as thorough a check on the turbo as possible, and it's good brotha! Certainly keep me informed of what you find Richard! -Bob

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