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RuizGT · 05-10-2009, 11:42 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by amdguy

here is another rod ;-D

MAPerformance Ultimate Duty Billet Steel Connecting Rods (6 Bolt 4g63) - Modern Automotive Performance

Haha, yep, just make sure you get the 7 bolt.

amdguy · 05-10-2009, 11:47 PM

this is giving me some hope for a cheap stroker. that MAP / Howards rod held over 1000whp in the 4g63 RX7 :-D

Steve@SNLPerformance · 05-11-2009, 01:47 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by DGR8srt

Kudos to Nemo and SNL....scribed and I ain't even interested lol

I only take credit for putting this info out in the open, in one place, for the publics use... I didn't develop anything.

Quote: Originally Posted by julius717

whats the eta on getting having a built and running motor in a caR?

I should have the custom Wiseco pistons here in roughly a week... then the crank goes to the machine shop, all machine work will be done, then the crank goes to get ion nitride coated, then we assemble... I'd say, a month and a half.

Quote: Originally Posted by conroy9940

they aren't going to be building for people... they are selling the stuff as a kit after they're car is running.

We will have to offer the pistons through us. Wiseco isn't going to make them a shelf stock setup, they want to give us a proprietary part number and sell to us only. We'll pass the pn and savings to you guys.

Quote: Originally Posted by srt4me18

Interested in seeeing if it holds up.. thats damn cheap

It'll hold up.

Quote: Originally Posted by amdguy

here is another rod ;-D

MAPerformance Ultimate Duty Billet Steel Connecting Rods (6 Bolt 4g63) - Modern Automotive Performance

Very nice! Make damn sure the measurements check out with the ones I provided... I think that the 6 bolt has a smaller pin size.

Quote: Originally Posted by amdguy

this is giving me some hope for a cheap stroker. that MAP / Howards rod held over 1000whp in the 4g63 RX7 :-D

Affordability is the goal here, we'll keep you guys posted!

RuizGT · 05-11-2009, 10:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by SRT 41320

so...you're saying i give you roughly $2k for parts and i have my block machined .040" over - then assemble? sounds too too good to be true...cant wait to see the final product!!! in for the DIY'r

If you want, we can sprinkle some magic fairy dust on the parts to make the price even more worth it. lol. Believe it, hopefully more parts will be here soon so I can post up more pics for you guys.

Steve@SNLPerformance · 05-12-2009, 10:18 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by SRT 41320

so...you're saying i give you roughly $2k for parts and i have my block machined .040" over - then assemble? sounds too too good to be true...cant wait to see the final product!!! in for the DIY'r

Sure, if you want us to source the parts for you. It's really going to depend on what rod you want...

Quote: Originally Posted by amdguy

so far from what im seeing the crank will be the greatest expense. who are you using to offset grind it? local shop?

We buy a stock crank from Mopar and take it to a very reputable machine shop out here, after that is done we send it out to be ion nitride coated by Racing Plasma PVD & Ion Nitride Plasma Coatings USTEL# 800.632.6281.

SebringLX · 05-12-2009, 12:12 PM

The Ion Nitride treatment is interesting. What about Cryo treating the crank as well? Or even the rods and pistons... I think you can even do it to the block if you wanted to.

I can't find the price list, but I sent some axles to these guys: Motorsports - 300 Below, Inc.

I needed stronger axles, and there aren't any available for my car. They've held up to a full season of drag racing and autocross so far. I think it only cost me about $175 for the axles. I don't think having an engine done was all that expensive.

I've heard people using the Ion treated cranks on these engines, but don't think I've ever read anyone using a Cryo treated crank. Could be a cheaper alternative, or maybe both processes could be used on the same crank to make it even stronger.

quicky4JR. · 05-12-2009, 01:36 PM

Do not Cryo treat the internals.

boots · 05-12-2009, 03:12 PM

How much are they charging to do the ion treatment?

SebringLX · 05-12-2009, 03:26 PM

Why would it snap? I thought the point of it was to make it stronger to keep it from snapping... unless it doesn't actually work... My otherwise stock axles that have been cryo treated haven't snapped yet...

tcglass1 · 05-12-2009, 04:49 PM

The problem with making things harder, is that most of the time they become more brittle

RuizGT · 05-12-2009, 05:06 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by boots

How much are they charging to do the ion treatment?

I think 3 dollars per pound if I remember right.

Steve@SNLPerformance · 05-12-2009, 05:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by SebringLX

The Ion Nitride treatment is interesting. What about Cryo treating the crank as well? Or even the rods and pistons... I think you can even do it to the block if you wanted to.

I can't find the price list, but I sent some axles to these guys: Motorsports - 300 Below, Inc.

I needed stronger axles, and there aren't any available for my car. They've held up to a full season of drag racing and autocross so far. I think it only cost me about $175 for the axles. I don't think having an engine done was all that expensive.

I've heard people using the Ion treated cranks on these engines, but don't think I've ever read anyone using a Cryo treated crank. Could be a cheaper alternative, or maybe both processes could be used on the same crank to make it even stronger.

Quote: Originally Posted by matthew00029

I would personally NOT cryo treat the crank or rods.

Quote: Originally Posted by quicky4JR.

Do not Cryo treat the internals.

Quote: Originally Posted by tcglass1

The problem with making things harder, is that most of the time they become more brittle

tcglass1 is correct, we don't recommend the cryo treat on internals as most do not. The ion nitride finish is about all you can do to increase strength in a cast crank (to my knowledge).

Quote: Originally Posted by boots

How much are they charging to do the ion treatment?

$3.00/lbs. with a ten day turn around.

boots · 05-12-2009, 05:14 PM

What does the stock crank weigh? 30lbs? This is the same treatment DCR does to there ion cranks correct?

Quote: Originally Posted by RuizGT

I think 3 dollars per pound if I remember right.

RuizGT · 05-12-2009, 07:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by boots

What does the stock crank weigh? 30lbs? This is the same treatment DCR does to there ion cranks correct?

Yes, and I'm not positive on the weight.

I also found a new rod part number for you guys for the scat rods.
2-5906-1771-1038-866
I'll go ahead and update the part numbers post with this, too.

Steve@SNLPerformance · 05-12-2009, 08:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by boots

What does the stock crank weigh? 30lbs? This is the same treatment DCR does to there ion cranks correct?

Quote: Originally Posted by RuizGT

Yes, and I'm not positive on the weight.

I also found a new rod part number for you guys for the scat rods.
[SIZE=1][SIZE=1][SIZE=1]2-5906-1771-1038-866[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
I'll go ahead and update the part numbers post with this, too.

According to Mopar they weigh 40lbs and I have no idea where DCR gets their stuff done but Ion Nitride coating is Ion Nitride coating... can't really jazz that up.

Scat rods are another option!!!