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I have been making my race ported elbow modded mani for almost 3 years now. I
My 380/444 and 11.7@122 were done on it with a 16g bws.
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I cant totally agree with you on this one. I have the FM mani and love it. I do agree the HP per dollar isnt there but I wanted to make a easy 300whp on pump93 and not have a laggy turbo. I also wanted under the hood to look as stock as possable. I also didnt want to get into the mess of fuel system ,tunning and all the big turbo mess. This seemed to fit my needs and ive been very happy with the FM E1 and FM Mani.
If it was all about HP per dollar nitrous is still the best lol.
Yeah but the fact of the matter is a bws on a stock manifold spiking up to 25 psi and holding 20ish psi isn't going to see a gain big enough to justify the cost.I think my E1 setup had more in it but the cost/performance was in hind sight not worth it.

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both are a waste of money go big turbo the drive pressure on these turbos is ridiculously high the stock frame turbo was designed to help sell the cars you need a better matched turbo to make the power a used hahn 16g/20g will blow you mind by comparison

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both are a waste of money go big turbo the drive pressure on these turbos is ridiculously high the stock frame turbo was designed to help sell the cars you need a better matched turbo to make the power a used hahn 16g/20g will blow you mind by comparison
show me a hahn 16g that trapped 122-123..

e1 is not a waste of money if you can find it cheaper than what usually people pay for brand new.Its been proven to make decent power on higher octane fuel.I know duster tuned couple of them and they made 350+ whp on e85.

Big turbo will always be a better choice no matter what but then supporting mods come in play and money might be an issue for some people.

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^^^Agreed...I already have an E1 so the moneys spent...Switching to E85...Just deciding if a ported manifold is worth it or not!
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show me a hahn 16g that trapped 122-123..

e1 is not a waste of money if you can find it cheaper than what usually people pay for brand new.Its been proven to make decent power on higher octane fuel.I know duster tuned couple of them and they made 350+ whp on e85.

Big turbo will always be a better choice no matter what but then supporting mods come in play and money might be an issue for some people.
Im not a fan of the hahn kits.



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^^^Agreed...I already have an E1 so the moneys spent...Switching to E85...Just deciding if a ported manifold is worth it or not!
If its worth porting the ex manifold with the stock turbo then it be worth it wit moles bws/fm e1. Some dude on here gained ~20whp on a bws. I forgot his name.
I know mole wouldnt trap as high with the stock ex manifold.

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I liked my E1 setup until i did a full build on a buddies car with a s256 and felt stupid for spending the money on a BWS setup.My E1 setup went high 11's @ 122 which isn't bad but i could of pieced a simple 50t setup together for about the same amount of $$$ and went much quicker/faster in the 1/4.But i did learn alot about the car in the process so it wasn't a complete loss.

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I believe a port/polished exh manifold is more to help with flow and EGT hotspots especially. I wouldnt push 25+ psi spikes without one. Piece of mind.


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If its worth porting the ex manifold with the stock turbo then it be worth it wit moles bws/fm e1. Some dude on here gained ~20whp on a bws. I forgot his name.
I know mole wouldnt trap as high with the stock ex manifold.
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I believe a port/polished exh manifold is more to help with flow and EGT hotspots especially. I wouldnt push 25+ psi spikes without one. Piece of mind.
I agree with both of you

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show me a hahn 16g that trapped 122-123..

e1 is not a waste of money if you can find it cheaper than what usually people pay for brand new.Its been proven to make decent power on higher octane fuel.I know duster tuned couple of them and they made 350+ whp on e85.

Big turbo will always be a better choice no matter what but then supporting mods come in play and money might be an issue for some people.
" the hahn 16g is about the same as a stg3 turbo.... and the 20g is the same a 47lb s3
a 16 g with some good cams and e85 would make close to 400whp
imo a used hahn kit is way better than running an upgraded stocker which will always have isses with really high drive pressures

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" the hahn 16g is about the same as a stg3 turbo.... and the 20g is the same a 47lb s3
a 16 g with some good cams and e85 would make close to 400whp
imo a used hahn kit is way better than running an upgraded stocker which will always have isses with really high drive pressures
You don't need cams and e85 to hit 400hp on a 16g bws. I did it without.

S&msrt did 415 on my 16g bws/race mani on e85 no cams

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You don't need cams and e85 to hit 400hp on a 16g bws. I did it without.

S&msrt did 415 on my 16g bws/race mani on e85 no cams
hopefully you get well and get back home so we can see what a sdk manifold on stock block and do with another bws... 400?? easy lol


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i had the stock manifold and E1 and on the dyno with 93 made 288hp/351trq. then i switched over to the fm manifold and dynoed at 312hp/372 trq. so theres certainly a gain but it up to wether the price is worth it or not. and someone was correct earlier saying u wont need a 3 inch 02 housing. its built into the fm manifold already.

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Would I need an 3" o2 housing with Mole's unit?
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