^^ dont piss on delta turbos just cuz AGP wouldnt publish a compressor map or give you their design specs.
Delta > mitsu 16/20g any day, equivalent quality and AGP edging out the customer service depart as they are a direct vendor, better spool, better designed wastegate setup, AND a better powerband. The D40 and D44 both outspool a 20g and have a bigger compressor (not sure on the turbine).
I dont see how can you get so bent on delta stuff just because you dont know a single thing about them. Stop getting so hung up on the part list but rather look at results of them on cars and research their reliability, and lastly look up AGPs rep for service.
^^ dont piss on delta turbos just cuz AGP wouldnt publish a compressor map or give you their design specs.
Delta > mitsu 16/20g any day, equivalent quality and AGP edging out the customer service depart as they are a direct vendor, better spool, better designed wastegate setup, AND a better powerband. The D40 and D44 both outspool a 20g and have a bigger compressor (not sure on the turbine).
I dont see how can you get so bent on delta stuff just because you dont know a single thing about them. Stop getting so hung up on the part list but rather look at results of them on cars and research their reliability, and lastly look up AGPs rep for service.
ouch, i agree with the platform from AGP is very nice (just like ATP,traeadstone and a couple others)but you my friend are biased the offical release was only a couple months ago for the delta I AM BEING REALISTIC, and yes i am trying to learn about the delta but people telling me to look at vendor's dynos (yea they are great but they wouldnt publish em if they werent) and time slips that are good but about what i would expect...I know AGP dosent just buy turbo parts because someone said so THEY WANT FACTS AND RELIABILITY SPECS and thats all i am asking (not for agp's stuff but for some info on the turbo)
the deltas are probably fine BUT even the testers have been out less than a year (i know of a ton of turbos that are no longer in production cause of problems in the first year of release) and if you want me to say they are as good as a factory mitsu you are crazy I WOULD LIKE AGP TO OPENLY STATE THAT the truth is the jury (all or us) is still out on that
if you have a problem with me take it up with me but dont try to flame me because you are just some kid with his first car and you will disappear soon like most do i have been doing this since the late 80's and guess what i am still around, AGP is a distributer of turbos and farm's out some parts and makes some in house THEY are not garrett nor are they turbonetics or mitsu they sell products all i want to know is what i am buying
Post up what you see as the flaws with the design of the deltas, or stop posting. Simple as that.
Youre nut huggin mitsu so bad its not even tolerable. I guess you are throwing to the wind that probably 60% or more of the big turbo cars running right now are probably AGP, most of those 50T's. But of course, you assume they threw out everything they ever accomplished and learned over the past 4 years and started from scratch.
and the whole kid thing, first car...youre pretty far off. but i dont have anything to prove but to try and occasionaly weigh in a bad info. Its one thing to doubt the prowess of a new design, but dont presume everything out there already in existence is better. Your advice sounds as old as the 20g design itself. Time to learn the new stuff.
Post up what you see as the flaws with the design of the deltas, or stop posting. Simple as that.
Youre nut huggin mitsu so bad its not even tolerable. I guess you are throwing to the wind that probably 60% or more of the big turbo cars running right now are probably AGP, most of those 50T's. But of course, you assume they threw out everything they ever accomplished and learned over the past 4 years and started from scratch.
Come on...
I NEVER SAID THERE IS A FLAW, I NEVER SAID THEY ARE BAD...what i did say is they are new and with anything new the jurry is still out (can you read my words??)
agp is a great company and the sell nice turbos (just cause agp sells it dosnt mean they make it ) bottom line AGP is good BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THEY SELL as in the maps and specs (if a write it again would you understand) as for mitsu well they make great turbos no doubt (they are one of the biggest players on the plannet) but they shy away from performance so most go to a gerrett (gt style) or T series (t-61,50trim, 62-1 ect..)
so again the OP wanted to know about mitsu (hahn) 20g and i responded they are a good reliable turbo and are extremely proven (i would say their closest match would be a 3076 non-r or possibly a 50trim .48 but the 20g dies off after 26-28psi)
if you have any feedback for the OP please go ahead other than that you are a fool so go nut hugg in the AGP section please
have i told ya about that nut hugg'n and how not to get caught up in marketing BS that the vendors put out....wow sounds like pumpkin is tryin to score some AGP parts
Read your own words, seems like a little more than just a "innocent" mitsu is reliable statement. Dont play ass clown, you clearly bashed on AGP, im not nut hugging anyone, stating facts.
And yea, everything I have said so far was to correct for the 1960ness of your posts.
To the OP, if you want to upgrade your whp with 2k, stick with the stocker and do all the bolt-ons. When you are ready to go big turbo, think about your goals and what you are trying to accomplish, I doubt with anything that you come up with you will find yourself choosing a 20g over a delta, or any other turbo for that matter.
The hahn is affortable. Seems like an affordable upgrade for cheap that will give me the bigges bang for the buck
actually the hahn (and all mitsu turbos) are gonna be supper expensive compared to a T series for what you get (mitsu is patented) you can get other kits in the same price range much cheaper i have seen full brand new 50trim kits (turbonetics) for under 1500 regular price and i think hahn kits are close to 1800-1900 new, if money is a concern than maybe a 50trim would be better for ya they do very well on the srt-4 (probably one of the best matches for the srt) and a 50 trim .48 will give ya a little better spool than a 20g with the same top end (about 400 +/-)
Read your own words, seems like a little more than just a "innocent" mitsu is reliable statement. Dont play ass clown, you clearly bashed on AGP, im not nut hugging anyone, stating facts.
And yea, everything I have said so far was to correct for the 1960ness of your posts.
To the OP, if you want to upgrade your whp with 2k, stick with the stocker and do all the bolt-ons. When you are ready to go big turbo, think about your goals and what you are trying to accomplish, I doubt with anything that you come up with you will find yourself choosing a 20g over a delta, or any other turbo for that matter.
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are you serious a delta over a mitsu
have i told ya about that nut hugg'n and how not to get caught up in marketing BS that the vendors put out....wow sounds like pumpkin is tryin to score some AGP parts
truthfully,
the agp kits are a definite step up in terms of upgradeability (is that a word) as they support ext. gate and their 4 bolt exhaust housing (t-31) will work for almost all t-3 style tubos/
as for a delta vs a mitsu, i will take a mitsu any day, possibly the most proven turbo on the planet in terms of reliability and power match aside from GT series these are a newer design that are great for a street/strip car (T series are older than dirt and are slow to spool) and still no one knows what a "delta" turbo is but i am thinking its some type of hybrid like greddy used to play with
bottom line is the 20g is a good street/strip turbo and its simple w/ int gated it will spool super fast and hold till red line (i know nothing of the 16g ) BUT i would recommend a Mitsubishi/mopar stg 3r over all these for some super fun street stuff
on a side note,,,bigger turbos are not better everyone plays the numbers game PEAK NUMBERS ARE WORTHLESS unless you have a usable power band peak numbers are only good for the internet and our cars are EXTREMELY limited in power band RPM range so as some might have noticed there ar some "small" turbo cars that whoop the living crap outa "big" turbo cars...so all i can say is play it smart and buy a turbo that fits your car and style of driving or you will be left with a TURD
hes an old school guy in a new school environment.
saying hahn kits > agp's is a crimony tho!
naa i am not saying that AGP makes some good stuff but (with a 50trim or garrett or turbonetics) i am just not sure of the delta, people always do this with new "unknown" turbos and they drool over em for a year to find out they dont live up to the hype ...wait you know better than I do
i just feel i need to be the voice of reason sometimes all these kids treat these vendors like rock stars....until they get a little older and wiser and find out X is only selling Y's part for 3x the price and because Y is not on the forums it gets shunned
a 50 trim .48 will give ya a little better spool than a 20g with the same top end (about 400 +/-)
:facepalm: Dear christ, i have yet to see one 20g crack 400whp on these forums, and if I missed it (i think scott at maxxfab dyno'd one on race gas), it was with a TON of bolt-ons. A 50 trim (.48) maxxed out on race gas is still capable of north of 450whp. Average people are seeing (judging by both traps and dynos) is 390-400whp, quite a few ponies more than the average 20g (350whp).
So no, they dont have the same top-end. Stick to estimating 20g power, you should have plenty of charts around, theyve been on the rollers since 1983.
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they sell products all i want to know is what i am buying
a delta over a mitsu 
and our cars are EXTREMELY limited in power band RPM range so as some might have noticed there ar some "small" turbo cars that whoop the living crap outa "big" turbo cars...so all i can say is play it smart and buy a turbo that fits your car and style of driving or you will be left with a TURD
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